Questions About the Flat Earth

Hi!
I have a question that I really would appreciate your thoughts on. Not being an expert in any way here so bare with me.

The atmosperic pressure is decreasing when the higher we are above the sea level. I think it is well documented that the air pressure is much less at the top of Mount Everest compared to the sea level for example. And that is also what Google will tell us.  

In other words, when the distance between the atoms in the air are further apart the air pressure is lower as I understand it.

So if we go much higher up still, is it not possible that we actually may reach a point were we have a vacuum or a near-vacuum even without a closed container? The videos I have seen is mostly talking about the need for a close container and how stupid the very idea is that the atmosphere can go from one state (non-vacuum) to another (vacuum) without a container so that is why have to question you guys!

Thanks, Mattias

Roban wrote:Putting this out here as I find it puzzling and don't yet have any great explanation / understanding.
So welcoming any insights / wisdom.

My question is that with a local sun circling around the Earth realm it would be traversing different diameter circles over the year, i.e. the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. Assuming so, how is the difference in speed accounted for? It's my understanding, for example, that the circumference of the Tropic of Cancer is appx. 29,000 miles which means in 24 hours the Sun would need to be moving around 1,200 mph to make one complete revolution. The Tropic of Capricorn, on the other hand, has an appx. circumference of 49,000 miles which means the Sun would need to be moving a little over 2,000 mph in order to make one complete rotation in 24 hours. This translates into the Sun needing to move about 70% faster in the Winter than Summer. Admittedly, however, this doesn't make sense to me as that would mean the day would be 70% quicker / shorter, given the limits of human sight, yes?

Any thoughts on explaining / understanding / making sense of this would sure be appreciated.

Many thanks.
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i too would love to know this

[hoping it’s chariots ]

that it is so predictable & mechanistic indicates a greater system at work…

calling on IFERS best(!)

actually, the sun is probably just trying to run from all the bullshit people are spouting; thus it continues(!) [jokes] “ack, it’s NASA!” ‍�

RileySlowWave wrote:

Roban wrote:Putting this out here as I find it puzzling and don't yet have any great explanation / understanding.
So welcoming any insights / wisdom.

My question is that with a local sun circling around the Earth realm it would be traversing different diameter circles over the year, i.e. the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. Assuming so, how is the difference in speed accounted for? It's my understanding, for example, that the circumference of the Tropic of Cancer is appx. 29,000 miles which means in 24 hours the Sun would need to be moving around 1,200 mph to make one complete revolution. The Tropic of Capricorn, on the other hand, has an appx. circumference of 49,000 miles which means the Sun would need to be moving a little over 2,000 mph in order to make one complete rotation in 24 hours. This translates into the Sun needing to move about 70% faster in the Winter than Summer. Admittedly, however, this doesn't make sense to me as that would mean the day would be 70% quicker / shorter, given the limits of human sight, yes?

Any thoughts on explaining / understanding / making sense of this would sure be appreciated.

Many thanks.
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i too would love to know this

[hoping it’s chariots ]

that it is so predictable & mechanistic indicates a greater system at work…

calling on IFERS best(!)

actually, the sun is probably just trying to run from all the bullshit people are spouting; thus it continues(!) [jokes] “ack, it’s NASA!” ‍

reiterating this question:

as the sun travels on its Capricorn-to-Cancer [& back] journey each year, is its relative speed &/or altitude changing(?) or is it it cruising somehow(?)

if there’s an explanatory video/article on this subject i’d love to see it

Roban wrote:Putting this out here as I find it puzzling and don't yet have any great explanation / understanding.
So welcoming any insights / wisdom.

My question is that with a local sun circling around the Earth realm it would be traversing different diameter circles over the year, i.e. the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. Assuming so, how is the difference in speed accounted for? It's my understanding, for example, that the circumference of the Tropic of Cancer is appx. 29,000 miles which means in 24 hours the Sun would need to be moving around 1,200 mph to make one complete revolution. The Tropic of Capricorn, on the other hand, has an appx. circumference of 49,000 miles which means the Sun would need to be moving a little over 2,000 mph in order to make one complete rotation in 24 hours. This translates into the Sun needing to move about 70% faster in the Winter than Summer. Admittedly, however, this doesn't make sense to me as that would mean the day would be 70% quicker / shorter, given the limits of human sight, yes?

Any thoughts on explaining / understanding / making sense of this would sure be appreciated.

Many thanks.
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Roban, it looks like it’s us & the crickets on this one…

i’ll apply some brainpower to the conundrum:

1) checking the measurement of duration of a “day” [a revolution of the sun] from very-north during Summer/Winter & very-south during the same…

using https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/norway/longyearbyen

Longyearbyen example:
December (2023) = Down all day — this favors the notion that its traveling at a steady rate(?) & is on its wider path elsewhere…

June (2023) = Up all day — well this is nice: indicates a location that can see the whole action — so we’ll assume the sun’s rate here is steady; so the time of day will be “infinite” for awhile

i suppose from here we could find the margins of the arctic circle & make plenty of calculations — the point where “infinity meets reality” [a paradox] in a sense: where 24 hr sun meets 23…

Dalvík example: [note Iceland is just-south of the Arctic Circle]
December (2023) = shortest day is solstice w/ 2:48:21 day-length [note the peculiar rates-of-change leading to/from this point:
12/18 = -1:50
12/19 = -1:24
12/20 = -0:57
12/21 = -0:30
12/22 = -0:02 (solstice)
12/23 = +0:25
12/24 = +0:52
12/25 = +1:19

June (2023) = 24 hr sun from 14th-29th
6/12 = +~14
6/13 = +~21
6/14 = +~19
interrupting: the data appears screwy for this location… using a time duration calculator gives the numbers i listed; the website differs or lacks

anyhow, i’ll try one more location near the Arctic Circle to test; w/ a keener eye toward the data accuracy

Nuuk [Greenland baby] example:
June (2023) = much better, midnight sun goes away [appropriate for a location S. of the line] longest day is solstice [21:10:00] so we can see we’re a bit south…
6/19 = +0:55 (checking: +2 actual*)
6/20 = +0:33 (check: +1 my math*)
6/21 = +0:10 solstice (check: 0*)
6/22 = -0:11 (check: 0*)
6/23 = -0:34 (check: -1*)
6/24 = -0:56 (check: -1*)

okay, i’m seeing data issues: input accuracy [would likely need to survey from multiple/many sites/sources to get an average or a feel] includes physical location data: we’d be best to grab a sample from locations around the A. Circle from as many “authorities” as possible lol — something reliable

holy cow what an essay(!)

plowing forth(!): even if this is instructive rather than definitive

let’s grab a location near the T. of Capricorn

Asunción example:
December (2023): longest day occurs on solstice
12/19 = +0:06 (check: 0*)
12/20 = +0:04 (check: 0*)
12/21 = +0:02 solstice (check: 0*)
12/22 = <1 (check: 0*)
12/23 = -0:02 (check: 0*)
12/24 = -0:04 (check: 0*)
12/25 = -0:06 (check: -1*)
12/26 = -0:08 (check: +1*)
12/27 = -0:11 (check: -1*)

okay, let’s call it there & ponder this:

the day-lengths are BARELY/incrementally moving around the winter solstice in Paraguay: comparing the rate of change per-day at Dalvík which i’ll stop & recheck: let’s put them side-by side(!!!)

Tropics Day-length Rate Comparison
December (2023) Dalvík vs Asunción
12/18 = D: -1:50 A: +0:08 (check: -1* +1*)
12/19 = D: -1:24 A: +0:06 (check: -3* 0*)
12/20 = D: -0:57 A: +0:04 (check: 0* 0*)
12/21 = D: -0:30 A: +0:02 (check: 0* 0*)
12/22 = D: -0:02 A: < 1s (check: -1* 0*)
12/23 = D: +0:25 A: -0:02 (check: +1* 0*)
12/24 = D: +0:52 A: -0:04 (check: +1* 0*)

well, a quick glance tells us the rate-of-change is “faster” or different when comparing locations near the Arctic circle & Tropic of Capricorn on same days (December, for instance)

i’ll reflect on this

[quote="RileySlowWave"][quote="RileySlowWave"]

Roban wrote:Putting this out here as I find it puzzling and don't yet have any great explanation / understanding.
So welcoming any insights / wisdom.

My question is that with a local sun circling around the Earth realm it would be traversing different diameter circles over the year, i.e. the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. Assuming so, how is the difference in speed accounted for? It's my understanding, for example, that the circumference of the Tropic of Cancer is appx. 29,000 miles which means in 24 hours the Sun would need to be moving around 1,200 mph to make one complete revolution. The Tropic of Capricorn, on the other hand, has an appx. circumference of 49,000 miles which means the Sun would need to be moving a little over 2,000 mph in order to make one complete rotation in 24 hours. This translates into the Sun needing to move about 70% faster in the Winter than Summer. Admittedly, however, this doesn't make sense to me as that would mean the day would be 70% quicker / shorter, given the limits of human sight, yes?

Any thoughts on explaining / understanding / making sense of this would sure be appreciated.

Many thanks.
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As already stated. The Sun ascends at 15 degrees per hour starting at the prime meridian. Each meridian is 30 degrees of right ascension and there are 12 for a total of 360 degrees. Those are the facts we know, regardless of the Sun's declination that is what we observe day after day. Stop trying to calculate in mph/kph and what not.

The title question is basically enough. I have seen several maps, and also read statements that they differ.  I have read that naval maps were used during WW2 that are similar to the Gleasom map being quite accurate.
What is the most accurate flat earth map?

The answer depends on the ability to accurately measure distances. Who knows about this? For example, can the exact distance between Rio de Janeiro and Johannesburg or Perth be determined? Or between any places on earth?
What methods are there?

EDIT: Meanwhile I found at least 2 categories in this forum that match my question: Mapping the Earth
Flat Earth Maps

In the second topic I couldn't find answers, and the first topic I'm studying at the moment.

Sorry if this has been asked. I have tried researching this question but always end up at the videos of the space station being fake from the perspective of it being filmed in a pool, use of green screens and the zero G aircraft flights (vomit comet). I was walking my dog the other night and saw a very bright light traverse the night sky. I did not know what it was and after some research it turns out that it is supposed to be the space station going over. Since that night I have watched it several more times according to the published schedule I found online for my area. In my research I have not found an explanation for what I am viewing from a flat earth viewpoint. Any alternative viewpoints that I can research would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You

RileySlowWave wrote:

Roban wrote:Putting this out here as I find it puzzling and don't yet have any great explanation / understanding.
So welcoming any insights / wisdom.

My question is that with a local sun circling around the Earth realm it would be traversing different diameter circles over the year, i.e. the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn. Assuming so, how is the difference in speed accounted for? It's my understanding, for example, that the circumference of the Tropic of Cancer is appx. 29,000 miles which means in 24 hours the Sun would need to be moving around 1,200 mph to make one complete revolution. The Tropic of Capricorn, on the other hand, has an appx. circumference of 49,000 miles which means the Sun would need to be moving a little over 2,000 mph in order to make one complete rotation in 24 hours. This translates into the Sun needing to move about 70% faster in the Winter than Summer. Admittedly, however, this doesn't make sense to me as that would mean the day would be 70% quicker / shorter, given the limits of human sight, yes?

Any thoughts on explaining / understanding / making sense of this would sure be appreciated.

Many thanks.
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Roban, it looks like it’s us & the crickets on this one…

i’ll apply some brainpower to the conundrum:

1) checking the measurement of duration of a “day” [a revolution of the sun] from very-north during Summer/Winter & very-south during the same…

using https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/norway/longyearbyen

Longyearbyen example:
December (2023) = Down all day — this favors the notion that its traveling at a steady rate(?) & is on its wider path elsewhere…

June (2023) = Up all day — well this is nice: indicates a location that can see the whole action — so we’ll assume the sun’s rate here is steady; so the time of day will be “infinite” for awhile

i suppose from here we could find the margins of the arctic circle & make plenty of calculations — the point where “infinity meets reality” [a paradox] in a sense: where 24 hr sun meets 23…

Dalvík example: [note Iceland is just-south of the Arctic Circle]
December (2023) = shortest day is solstice w/ 2:48:21 day-length [note the peculiar rates-of-change leading to/from this point:
12/18 = -1:50
12/19 = -1:24
12/20 = -0:57
12/21 = -0:30
12/22 = -0:02 (solstice)
12/23 = +0:25
12/24 = +0:52
12/25 = +1:19

June (2023) = 24 hr sun from 14th-29th
6/12 = +~14
6/13 = +~21
6/14 = +~19
interrupting: the data appears screwy for this location… using a time duration calculator gives the numbers i listed; the website differs or lacks

anyhow, i’ll try one more location near the Arctic Circle to test; w/ a keener eye toward the data accuracy

Nuuk [Greenland baby] example:
June (2023) = much better, midnight sun goes away [appropriate for a location S. of the line] longest day is solstice [21:10:00] so we can see we’re a bit south…
6/19 = +0:55 (checking: +2 actual*)
6/20 = +0:33 (check: +1 my math*)
6/21 = +0:10 solstice (check: 0*)
6/22 = -0:11 (check: 0*)
6/23 = -0:34 (check: -1*)
6/24 = -0:56 (check: -1*)

okay, i’m seeing data issues: input accuracy [would likely need to survey from multiple/many sites/sources to get an average or a feel] includes physical location data: we’d be best to grab a sample from locations around the A. Circle from as many “authorities” as possible lol — something reliable

holy cow what an essay(!)

plowing forth(!): even if this is instructive rather than definitive

let’s grab a location near the T. of Capricorn

Asunción example:
December (2023): longest day occurs on solstice
12/19 = +0:06 (check: 0*)
12/20 = +0:04 (check: 0*)
12/21 = +0:02 solstice (check: 0*)
12/22 = <1 (check: 0*)
12/23 = -0:02 (check: 0*)
12/24 = -0:04 (check: 0*)
12/25 = -0:06 (check: -1*)
12/26 = -0:08 (check: +1*)
12/27 = -0:11 (check: -1*)

okay, let’s call it there & ponder this:

the day-lengths are BARELY/incrementally moving around the winter solstice in Paraguay: comparing the rate of change per-day at Dalvík which i’ll stop & recheck: let’s put them side-by side(!!!)

Tropics Day-length Rate Comparison
December (2023) Dalvík vs Asunción
12/18 = D: -1:50 A: +0:08 (check: -1* +1*)
12/19 = D: -1:24 A: +0:06 (check: -3* 0*)
12/20 = D: -0:57 A: +0:04 (check: 0* 0*)
12/21 = D: -0:30 A: +0:02 (check: 0* 0*)
12/22 = D: -0:02 A: < 1s (check: -1* 0*)
12/23 = D: +0:25 A: -0:02 (check: +1* 0*)
12/24 = D: +0:52 A: -0:04 (check: +1* 0*)

well, a quick glance tells us the rate-of-change is “faster” or different when comparing locations near the Arctic circle & Tropic of Capricorn on same days (December, for instance)

i’ll reflect on this

i come bearing gifts: https://www.flateartheducation.com/images/Daylight-length-rate-comparison.pdf

Hey, all. I came across this video which says the horizon drops with altitude. Can anyone explain what’s happening here? It will be much appreciated. And, I apologise if this question has been asked previously. https://youtu.be/XDn2Ako1_sE

Samar527 wrote:Hey guys, I came across this : (Link here. cant share with link my acc is too new, have to check original post for link)
Here he shows an experiment which "supposedly shows" that the horizon does not rise to eye level and falls with increase in altitude.
Can anybody help point out some errors in that experiment ?

One thing I have thought of is , even if I do assume the horizon does fall by the amount he is showing in those rigged screenshots, where he goes up to a height of 5600 ft, then at heights attained at the high altitude balloon footage, the horizon must not be visible at all! But we do see the horizon in such cases as shown in the videos we have in this subsection.

But I would have liked it if the horizon did not fall at all in his shown experiments. Should I assume that the experiment being performed is rigged ? Can anybody help give a more concrete argument ?

Heres a quoted post from this thread on the forum 'The International Flat Earth Research Society' on the subthread 'Horizon Rises to Eye Level'.
Cant link cause my accounts not 7 days old yet

If you scroll down on the first page theres people replying to this question someone posted similar to your question. Theres also more about horizon and eye level on that thread and on this forum. Eric Dubay has some videos on this too. I know theres youtube videos and posts about Reds Rhetoric's videos too online

Ill get some more forum links and videos and research together post it for you to check out if you'd like

Hello to all,
I came across a video today by Wolfie (a pro-globe propagandist that insiders know) who argued that the eötvös effect proves that we are on a rotating globe.
This intrigued me and I did my research on the subject. The very well known and widely publicised FlatEarth.ws site among the NASA version of the globe advocates has also talked about this subject and share Wolfie6020's video below: https://flatearth.ws/eotvos
I'll add this other video: https://youtu.be/73Ec-d2RbsI

So, as a geocentrist and a zetetician, I was looking to see if the flat earthers had an answer to this so-called proof of earth rotation. I came across a nice video from Phuket that gave me an answer that satisfied me by arguing that it is due to jet streams at different latitudes of the earth and I would add that the climate/ambient temperature also influences the gravity acceleration vector: depending on the ambient air of the more or less dense environment, the gravity/weight will vary by affecting the load of objects.
What I would like for the instruction of everyone on this wonderful site that has not yet addressed this subject, would be explanations on the forum (and in video if possible) of this effect. I have only found this video so far:
https://youtu.be/ssPFOBHv_V8

Here are the 2 videos that answer Phuket and Nathan on their claims:
https://youtu.be/VJ3ksl5nLSk

https://youtu.be/oLaZ9t214BA

The purpose of this new topic is to give a clear and proper answer to this effect which surely does not exist and which can be explained by various things as mentioned above. If there are any knowledgeable experts to debunk the answers of the pro-globe propagandists and make it clear to all interested people who come across this topic that there is no clear and undeniable scientific evidence for this other than the one allegedly provided by Wolfie over Australia (according to my research, no tests other than in Australia where there is a jet stream running west to east? Weird!) that would be great! Thanks in advance for your answers.

I would also like to know in bonus more and get some answers on this same site about the Allais effect: https://flatearth.ws/allais-effect

For my part, I think it has something to do with the electromagnetic influence of the sun and the moon on pendulums during eclipses. Can we really use this effect to debunk the Foucault pendulums, although there is other evidence against this pseudo-scientific proof ?

Science is aware that Allais debunked Foucaults pendulum as proof of earth rotation. I thought that nonsense had disappeared quietly.

Foucalts pendulum actually aligns with the movement of deep space i.e. the star field or the celestial dome.

Eotvos effect is just more of the same -assume the earth rotates, measure an effect produced by a change in direction and assume the change backs up the first assumption. It's horseshit. Circular arguments all around , the new scientific method.

The Allais effects occur whenever any two bodies beneath the dome align with earth , or our magnetic field may be more accurate. Including sun, moon ,planets and asteroids.
Look up the JRA effects if you wish . Initials of the three professors who progressed the work with pendulums.

I would be surprised if these topics are covered on here in depth .Once you realise that the whole caboodle is based on unproven assumption then these so called proofs become just pseudo-science

https://kaiserscience.wordpress.com/2021/02/19/the-eotvos-effect/

This link states that the earth is spherical and spins. Typical mainstream rubbish treating theory as fact .