Is Eric Dubay controlled opposition?

chimaira92 wrote:

Alpha wrote:

Earthtoed wrote:

RileySlowWave wrote:to be fair, Eric strikes me as about the last person i’d consider a shill working against the FE movement, when he’s responsible for properly waking up [& insisting we do our diligence; also using appropriate & historic resources] most modern FE’ers like myself

the difference between candor & content on Eric’s information [videos, articles, books, etc. etc.; as well as running a tight ship here at IFERS] is evident, to me, that he is sincere & thorough

wore my Flat-Earth Education shirt in public a couple days ago: very nice(!)

lastly, in terms of skills or effectiveness within a discipline, i’d say Eric is classed w/ M. Jordan, W. Gretzky, M. Ali… & i’m extremely grateful

I agree 100%. And rather than argue with that troll, I would also like to point out to you and others viewing that Eric is an exceptionally honest flat-Earther as evidenced by all of the other stuff he puts out: Zionism, wars, governments, historical facts that almost nobody else would publicly acknowledge. Eric is also an advocate for each of us to become leaders, which is the best way to ensure the FE movement stays pure.

There is no argument, I'm asking genuine questions, looking for discussion on what can be shown to be demonstrably true. And here you are with an ad hominem attack labelling me a troll for asking questions. This behaviour is very telling.

You were asked directly:
Can you be specific on exactly what Del was disingenuous about?

Can you prove Del is a shill?

Nothing in your reply addresses those two questions.

Hey I like Del and have been following his content for a while now. I don't think he is a shill but I just don't see where Del is coming from with his need for a "downwards vector" when the largest and densest object, the earth is downward. Hence why density separates with the downward vector, towards the earth.

Del seems adamant that there must be some other force causing this motion but his assumption that it is caused by Earth accelerating upwards is ridiculous. Drop a slinky and watch how it falls. The earth isn't accelerating up to slam into it.

chimaira92 wrote:

Alpha wrote:

Earthtoed wrote:

RileySlowWave wrote:to be fair, Eric strikes me as about the last person i’d consider a shill working against the FE movement, when he’s responsible for properly waking up [& insisting we do our diligence; also using appropriate & historic resources] most modern FE’ers like myself

the difference between candor & content on Eric’s information [videos, articles, books, etc. etc.; as well as running a tight ship here at IFERS] is evident, to me, that he is sincere & thorough

wore my Flat-Earth Education shirt in public a couple days ago: very nice(!)

lastly, in terms of skills or effectiveness within a discipline, i’d say Eric is classed w/ M. Jordan, W. Gretzky, M. Ali… & i’m extremely grateful

I agree 100%. And rather than argue with that troll, I would also like to point out to you and others viewing that Eric is an exceptionally honest flat-Earther as evidenced by all of the other stuff he puts out: Zionism, wars, governments, historical facts that almost nobody else would publicly acknowledge. Eric is also an advocate for each of us to become leaders, which is the best way to ensure the FE movement stays pure.

There is no argument, I'm asking genuine questions, looking for discussion on what can be shown to be demonstrably true. And here you are with an ad hominem attack labelling me a troll for asking questions. This behaviour is very telling.

You were asked directly:
Can you be specific on exactly what Del was disingenuous about?

Can you prove Del is a shill?

Nothing in your reply addresses those two questions.

Hey I like Del and have been following his content for a while now. I don't think he is a shill but I just don't see where Del is coming from with his need for a "downwards vector" when the largest and densest object, the earth is downward. Hence why density separates with the downward vector, towards the earth.

Del seems adamant that there must be some other force causing this motion but his assumption that it is caused by Earth accelerating upwards is ridiculous. Drop a slinky and watch how it falls. The earth isn't accelerating up to slam into it.

RileySlowWave wrote:

chimaira92 wrote:

Alpha wrote:

Earthtoed wrote:

RileySlowWave wrote:to be fair, Eric strikes me as about the last person i’d consider a shill working against the FE movement, when he’s responsible for properly waking up [& insisting we do our diligence; also using appropriate & historic resources] most modern FE’ers like myself

the difference between candor & content on Eric’s information [videos, articles, books, etc. etc.; as well as running a tight ship here at IFERS] is evident, to me, that he is sincere & thorough

wore my Flat-Earth Education shirt in public a couple days ago: very nice(!)

lastly, in terms of skills or effectiveness within a discipline, i’d say Eric is classed w/ M. Jordan, W. Gretzky, M. Ali… & i’m extremely grateful

I agree 100%. And rather than argue with that troll, I would also like to point out to you and others viewing that Eric is an exceptionally honest flat-Earther as evidenced by all of the other stuff he puts out: Zionism, wars, governments, historical facts that almost nobody else would publicly acknowledge. Eric is also an advocate for each of us to become leaders, which is the best way to ensure the FE movement stays pure.

There is no argument, I'm asking genuine questions, looking for discussion on what can be shown to be demonstrably true. And here you are with an ad hominem attack labelling me a troll for asking questions. This behaviour is very telling.

You were asked directly:
Can you be specific on exactly what Del was disingenuous about?

Can you prove Del is a shill?

Nothing in your reply addresses those two questions.

Hey I like Del and have been following his content for a while now. I don't think he is a shill but I just don't see where Del is coming from with his need for a "downwards vector" when the largest and densest object, the earth is downward. Hence why density separates with the downward vector, towards the earth.

Del seems adamant that there must be some other force causing this motion but his assumption that it is caused by Earth accelerating upwards is ridiculous. Drop a slinky and watch how it falls. The earth isn't accelerating up to slam into it.

the notion that Earth rises is preposterous

Alpha wrote:

chimaira92 wrote:

Alpha wrote:

Earthtoed wrote:

RileySlowWave wrote:to be fair, Eric strikes me as about the last person i’d consider a shill working against the FE movement, when he’s responsible for properly waking up [& insisting we do our diligence; also using appropriate & historic resources] most modern FE’ers like myself

the difference between candor & content on Eric’s information [videos, articles, books, etc. etc.; as well as running a tight ship here at IFERS] is evident, to me, that he is sincere & thorough

wore my Flat-Earth Education shirt in public a couple days ago: very nice(!)

lastly, in terms of skills or effectiveness within a discipline, i’d say Eric is classed w/ M. Jordan, W. Gretzky, M. Ali… & i’m extremely grateful

I agree 100%. And rather than argue with that troll, I would also like to point out to you and others viewing that Eric is an exceptionally honest flat-Earther as evidenced by all of the other stuff he puts out: Zionism, wars, governments, historical facts that almost nobody else would publicly acknowledge. Eric is also an advocate for each of us to become leaders, which is the best way to ensure the FE movement stays pure.

There is no argument, I'm asking genuine questions, looking for discussion on what can be shown to be demonstrably true. And here you are with an ad hominem attack labelling me a troll for asking questions. This behaviour is very telling.

You were asked directly:
Can you be specific on exactly what Del was disingenuous about?

Can you prove Del is a shill?

Nothing in your reply addresses those two questions.

Hey I like Del and have been following his content for a while now. I don't think he is a shill but I just don't see where Del is coming from with his need for a "downwards vector" when the largest and densest object, the earth is downward. Hence why density separates with the downward vector, towards the earth.

Del seems adamant that there must be some other force causing this motion but his assumption that it is caused by Earth accelerating upwards is ridiculous. Drop a slinky and watch how it falls. The earth isn't accelerating up to slam into it.

My reply wasn't to yourself.

Earthtoed wrote: "This guy in the video is totally symptomatic of a paid shill"

So I asked if he can prove Del is a shill, otherwise it's just irrelevant to the discussion.

Once again, Del's earth accelerating upwards has nothing to do with me or what I have asked, so I'll kindly ask you to stop trying to attach it to me.

So you would agree that there is a downward gradient with more dense things moving down and less dense things moving up?

chimaira92 wrote:

Alpha wrote:

chimaira92 wrote:

Alpha wrote:

Earthtoed wrote:

RileySlowWave wrote:to be fair, Eric strikes me as about the last person i’d consider a shill working against the FE movement, when he’s responsible for properly waking up [& insisting we do our diligence; also using appropriate & historic resources] most modern FE’ers like myself

the difference between candor & content on Eric’s information [videos, articles, books, etc. etc.; as well as running a tight ship here at IFERS] is evident, to me, that he is sincere & thorough

wore my Flat-Earth Education shirt in public a couple days ago: very nice(!)

lastly, in terms of skills or effectiveness within a discipline, i’d say Eric is classed w/ M. Jordan, W. Gretzky, M. Ali… & i’m extremely grateful

I agree 100%. And rather than argue with that troll, I would also like to point out to you and others viewing that Eric is an exceptionally honest flat-Earther as evidenced by all of the other stuff he puts out: Zionism, wars, governments, historical facts that almost nobody else would publicly acknowledge. Eric is also an advocate for each of us to become leaders, which is the best way to ensure the FE movement stays pure.

There is no argument, I'm asking genuine questions, looking for discussion on what can be shown to be demonstrably true. And here you are with an ad hominem attack labelling me a troll for asking questions. This behaviour is very telling.

You were asked directly:
Can you be specific on exactly what Del was disingenuous about?

Can you prove Del is a shill?

Nothing in your reply addresses those two questions.

Hey I like Del and have been following his content for a while now. I don't think he is a shill but I just don't see where Del is coming from with his need for a "downwards vector" when the largest and densest object, the earth is downward. Hence why density separates with the downward vector, towards the earth.

Del seems adamant that there must be some other force causing this motion but his assumption that it is caused by Earth accelerating upwards is ridiculous. Drop a slinky and watch how it falls. The earth isn't accelerating up to slam into it.

My reply wasn't to yourself.

Earthtoed wrote: "This guy in the video is totally symptomatic of a paid shill"

So I asked if he can prove Del is a shill, otherwise it's just irrelevant to the discussion.

Once again, Del's earth accelerating upwards has nothing to do with me or what I have asked, so I'll kindly ask you to stop trying to attach it to me.

So you would agree that there is a downward gradient with more dense things moving down and less dense things moving up?

I know, I am trying to keep the peace while sharing my opinion too. I don't mean to attach it to you, my apologies. I guess I keep bringing it up as the downward vector for density wasn't really questioned until now and the upwards acceleration theory that Del posits has been the only alternative attempt at explaining this. I don't dismiss Del for his reasoning and questioning however I do acknowledge that he is heading down a philosophical path of enquiry here in which no answer will be satisfactory. As an example Del wants to know what causes the downwards vector and postulates his theory. Then he wants to know what causes earth to accelerate upwards and postulates another theory. This can go on and on and on forever because we don't have the ability to explore outside of earth. We are limited to experimenting and researching based on our reference frame of the earth. So it is a philosophical concept.

I do agree that dense objects move down at varying speeds depending on their density and surrounding medium and upwards at varying speeds if less dense than the surrounding medium. I consider the earth to be the largest and densest medium, hence why there is a downwards vector.

chimaira92 wrote:> Why would you feel the need to keep the peace? I have been respectful in my questioning, I haven't disliked anyone's replies, I haven't down voted anything and I haven't used any ad hominem. I'm not interested in any of that nonesense. I am interested in your opinion but more importantly what you can demonstrate to be true.

I didn't mean keep the peace between us but between everyone seeking the truth. Here and on Del's channel. I see the infighting going on. I appreciate your respect and I too am only interested in your opinions and having an intelligent discussion.

> No apologies needed. I might be wrong but I thnk you might be mis-respresenting Del when you say upwards acceleration theory. Could you provide a link to where Del has said earth is accelerating upwards?

https://www.youtube.com/live/lwByMtXgbk0?feature=share&t=2755

There is the timestamp


> You should chat directly with Del, send him an email on his next live and jump in and have a discussion with him

I am currently chatting with Del on the youtube comments and the video he just released was most certainly directed towards me as well as others as I had directly asked him to explore the possibility of electromagnetism causing a downwards vector.


> Would you be able to practically demonstrate a horizontal density gradient based on your belief of a stationary earth?

I don't quite fully understand what you are asking for here? There is a vertical gradient based on relative density but to create a horizontal gradient would require a force to push all matter horizontally. Where as the downwards vector in a vertical gradient is due to the earth being the largest and densest object.

If there was a force acting upon the earth to create motion then we would be able to observe, measure and demonstrate it. Which we can't.

Jimbofunk1 wrote:It seems that Eric is one of the only prominent flat earth proponents that can actually be trusted. That's why he's attacked.

Earthtoed wrote:

Jimbofunk1 wrote:It seems that Eric is one of the only prominent flat earth proponents that can actually be trusted. That's why he's attacked.

That's because most of the "prominent" ones became prominent via Big Tech and media. Eric's work sparked the FE frenzy we now have. The spike in FE growth was a result of Eric's work circa 2014. Once the exponential growth began, the other side countered with damage control measures. Enter the shills.