Questions About the Flat Earth

Tree wrote:I’ve been discussing flat earth with my family. They’re coming around to the idea. I’ve noticed a few objections they have and wonder what the best answer/evidence we have for these:
1. How can all countries be in on it, especially regarding GPS with planes. Are they all using United States GPS?
2. Wouldn’t planes notice that they are constantly “turning to the right” if they fly from US to Japan? Even with GPS, they would need to turn more, right?
3. Are there any known whistle blowers?

Thanks for any suggestions on answering these questions. It will help me show them evidence.

Realearth wrote:

Tree wrote:I’ve been discussing flat earth with my family. They’re coming around to the idea. I’ve noticed a few objections they have and wonder what the best answer/evidence we have for these:
1. How can all countries be in on it, especially regarding GPS with planes. Are they all using United States GPS?
2. Wouldn’t planes notice that they are constantly “turning to the right” if they fly from US to Japan? Even with GPS, they would need to turn more, right?
3. Are there any known whistle blowers?

Thanks for any suggestions on answering these questions. It will help me show them evidence.

Try to keep it simple:
No curvature
GPS is just upgraded Loran plotting system.
Planes don't constantly turn to right. They use dead reckoning as do ships.

Tree wrote:I’ve been discussing flat earth with my family. They’re coming around to the idea. I’ve noticed a few objections they have and wonder what the best answer/evidence we have for these:
1. How can all countries be in on it, especially regarding GPS with planes. Are they all using United States GPS?
2. Wouldn’t planes notice that they are constantly “turning to the right” if they fly from US to Japan? Even with GPS, they would need to turn more, right?
3. Are there any known whistle blowers?

Thanks for any suggestions on answering these questions. It will help me show them evidence.

Stuart B wrote:Hello Eric and FE people. I write in earnest hopefully this is the right place to ask a question...
I do not think we are on a spinning ball and I know societies such as NASA and FakeX are completely fake narrative agents.
However the current proposed models for the flat earth simply do not work for 2 reasons:
1) I was lucky enough to work as a DJ in a Sunset bar in Ibiza for many years
I witnessed many sunsets and there is still an "Ibiza sunsets" group on FB no. 1454308871296466
So I know 100% that contrary to what I have seen proposed - which is that the suns moves perpendicular to the plane and fades out into the horizon as does a car or boat - it 100% sets behind what we see as the horizon (in this case the sea) and does not get smaller in size. In fact sometimes it actually looked bigger but that could have been alcohol related. I also have seen many sunrises and its the same situation
2) If the earth was flat as proposed and some part of it was lit by the sun whereas the opposite side was dark, would you not see this area of darkness if you stood atop a mountain ? I now work in property and again have been privileged to witness some very high up 360 degree views on many beautiful sunny and clear blue sky days and I can assure you it was well lit in all directions, no dark area to be seen anywhere. Additionally I have witnessed some totally pitch black evenings which would not be possible on the FE model. If you shine a torch down on the ground in 1 corner of a room even from just 1 foot high, there will inevitably be light in the opposite corner unless you put the torch extremely close to the ground. I have not done this but I expect that just 10 inches or so off ground will enable the light to hit the rest of the room and the sun seems much more omnidirectional than a torch + you could see the torch in the distance from the ground on the opposite side of the room. Hope that makes sense
These are my thoughts as to why the FE models I have seen do not work and am looking for a reasonable response. I have no problem if you think I have got something wrong because that's how we learn.
Thanks

Stuart B wrote:
1) I was lucky enough to work as a DJ in a Sunset bar in Ibiza for many years
I witnessed many sunsets and there is still an "Ibiza sunsets" group on FB no. 1454308871296466
So I know 100% that contrary to what I have seen proposed - which is that the suns moves perpendicular to the plane and fades out into the horizon as does a car or boat - it 100% sets behind what we see as the horizon (in this case the sea) and does not get smaller in size. In fact sometimes it actually looked bigger but that could have been alcohol related. I also have seen many sunrises and its the same situation

Marby wrote:

I also meant to say that yes I too do not see the moon especially arriving small as though its moving across a plane and getting closer to me

Stuart B wrote:

Marby wrote:

I also meant to say that yes I too do not see the moon especially arriving small as though its moving across a plane and getting closer to me

100% agree - I have seen some larger looking moons close to the horizon also but I did not want to get into the moon stuff without getting some answers about the sun stuff first. I noticed all my life that the Moon has the same face on it all the time so obviously not a ball. I plan to take photos of it but I cant afford a decent camera and phones are useless for long distance. An way hopefully someone can reply to the sunset conundrum. Cheers

PS. yes also agree about the shine of the moon, impossible to be from sun I think

Marby wrote:

Stuart B wrote:Hello Eric and FE people. I write in earnest hopefully this is the right place to ask a question...
I do not think we are on a spinning ball and I know societies such as NASA and FakeX are completely fake narrative agents.
However the current proposed models for the flat earth simply do not work for 2 reasons:
1) I was lucky enough to work as a DJ in a Sunset bar in Ibiza for many years
I witnessed many sunsets and there is still an "Ibiza sunsets" group on FB no. 1454308871296466
So I know 100% that contrary to what I have seen proposed - which is that the suns moves perpendicular to the plane and fades out into the horizon as does a car or boat - it 100% sets behind what we see as the horizon (in this case the sea) and does not get smaller in size. In fact sometimes it actually looked bigger but that could have been alcohol related. I also have seen many sunrises and its the same situation
2) If the earth was flat as proposed and some part of it was lit by the sun whereas the opposite side was dark, would you not see this area of darkness if you stood atop a mountain ? I now work in property and again have been privileged to witness some very high up 360 degree views on many beautiful sunny and clear blue sky days and I can assure you it was well lit in all directions, no dark area to be seen anywhere. Additionally I have witnessed some totally pitch black evenings which would not be possible on the FE model. If you shine a torch down on the ground in 1 corner of a room even from just 1 foot high, there will inevitably be light in the opposite corner unless you put the torch extremely close to the ground. I have not done this but I expect that just 10 inches or so off ground will enable the light to hit the rest of the room and the sun seems much more omnidirectional than a torch + you could see the torch in the distance from the ground on the opposite side of the room. Hope that makes sense
These are my thoughts as to why the FE models I have seen do not work and am looking for a reasonable response. I have no problem if you think I have got something wrong because that's how we learn.
Thanks

I too believe now the earth to be flat and not a spinning ball, and I too have the same questions about the Sun and Moon.  In my first post on Feb 9 I mentioned that I go out fishing on our harbour at night time.  Ive watched the Sun "go down" and the moon "come up" and definitely the sun never got smaller, also when the full moon comes up it is huge and stays the same size.  It comes up very quickly and then it seems like it stays high and in the same place.  I find it very strange that the moon is so bright when it comes up and yet the sun is nowhere to be seen.  I dont believe the sun is causing the moon to shine like that.  Sitting in my boat I look at the moon just peeping up on the water and then I turn and look at the land and the Sun has been gone below the mountains for a couple of hours.   There is no sunlight shining anywhere, not even a hint of a glow and yet you turn around and theres this bright moon peeping up, supposedly reflecting the suns light.  It does not make any sense in reality.

Tree wrote:1. If you wanted to prove the earth was not curved how high would you need to travel to prove that there is no curve? And has anyone done this?

Tree wrote:2. How BIG of a rocket would you need to build to travel into space and see the alleged curvature of the earth?

Tree wrote:3. What are the costs and logistical difficulties of building this rocket? (Note: it would not need to go into orbit, and would not need to be manned, just get high enough to see the curve).

Tree wrote:4. Would it be possible to do a gofundme or Kickstarter to make this happen?

Shmack_1 wrote:Hi,
first post and new to FE so please go easy on me!
Was discussing FE proofs with a friend today and he asked about the distorted shape of Australia when placed on a FE map. We live in Aus and agreed it would  become obvious to people through traveling that it was the wrong shape. Am I missing something? Can anyone point me in the right direction for an answer to that.? Cheers..