Re: Cointel Shill Protocol - How to Infiltrate Internet Forums

[Schpankme]

Israel censorship of cyberinformation

"The Israeli government has actively recruited bloggers to combat anti-Zionist websites, including those that deny the Holocaust", [this includes the orthodox Jew community within Israel.]  One must ask, what has Israeli Zionists to do with combating the truth about the so called Holocaust?

Zionism is a political organization formed in 1897. Today, the Zionists, who own and controlled the media and entertainment industry, spin the word "Nazi" to distance themselves from "NAZI" an acronym formed by combining two groups, the National Socialist Zionists with the Frankist Zionists, which became the NAtional ZIonists.

By 1933, the Zionists controlled more than 75% of the German Infrastructure (Government, Banking, Trade, News Media, Theaters, Railroad, Shipping, Metals, Property, etc).  So, what has to be accomplished to immigrate Orthodox Jews within the European theater, who in their right mind would never agree to relocate to the newly formed Zionist State within Palestine; and, how do you force the German people to fund this new Zionist State?

24 March 1933
"Judea Declares War on Germany"
This deceleration of Economic War, against the Germany People, was published in the Zionist owned and controlled media.  After all, they couldn't very well say, "Zionism Declares War on the German People!"

25 August 1933
Here we are, one day after economic war was declared the “Haavara” or “Transfer” agreement was signed by the German Government and the NAZI's, this broke the Zionist policy against their "German goods boycott", and provided for the emigration of Jews into the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PICA) under the directorship of James Armand de Rothschild.

History 1933 - 1941
o Zionists (NAZI), are responsible for staffing the immigration camps, staging, and immigration of Jews into the new Zionist State within the region of Palestine.
o British government, controlled Palestine and were paid a service fee for each person immigrated into the Zionist State.

The Zionist cries out in pain when they kick you.

[turtleexpress]

https://imgoat.com/uploads/74ad4786c3/203471.jpg

[Schpankme]

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum

minimal number of operatives can effectively gain control of an 'uncontrolled forum'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

misdirectional forum postings
several fake accounts
'replying' to postings with a simple comment
the critical posting 'slides' down the front page out of public view

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

fake account
posting is made which looks legitimate
the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof
disinformation is slowly 'seeded in'
Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues
'RESOURCE BURN'
By postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum
readers are effectively stopped from real productivity
misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

determine the psychological level of the forum members
'show you mine so me yours' posting
statistical information can be gathered

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

incite a strong psychological reaction
reverse IP location

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position
the forum can then be controlled by deleting unfavorable postings
you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings
By this method the forum can be quickly killed [or] converted into a 'honey pot'

CONCLUSION

other avenues must be considered
false legal precidence
have the forum shut down and taken offline

[Oliver_Bestfall]

So, apparently the next step in Cointel is to publicize allegations for Trial-By-Media -- example https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7168307/Durham-man-charged-56-counts-sexual-exploitation-minor.html

I have never heard of this guy, Phillip Stallings, but they name him the Founder of the Biblical Flat Earth Society and have systematically listed many of the flat earth core beliefs and principles within the same paragraph as his charges of pedophilia and child pornography.  This is clearly an attack on flat earth and all flat earthers.  And regardless of Stallings' innocence-until-proven-guilty, the intent is to sell the idea to the general public that all flat earthers are dirty perverts.

[Rapsher]

Does anyone have any knowledge/theories associated with these people who are shills? I've been able to recognize many shills in various arenas over the years, but it's difficult for me to wrap my head around what motivates a shill. Obviously money could be part of it, however it would still be challenging (for myself at least) to hold a position that I didn't actually believe in. When most of us communicate a genuine position, our thoughts are tied to our experiences/emotions, as a result very little memory is required (experiences create a natural bridge for our thoughts). However communicating fake positions requires memorization, which makes it challenging to speak with passion and authenticity, which is why most if not all of them are so easy to spot... in all fairness, if they were good, how would we know? For the most part I'm skeptical that someone would be able to pull off being a shill convincingly (I admit though, I've been fooled by shills/undercover agents in my personal life, however when someone is a friend you tend to make excuses for things that would otherwise be easy to spot), however most people are atrociously bad at reading people, which is perplexing since most of us have had countless human interactions throughout our lives (you have to be living in a zombie like state to miss it), but I digress. The flat earth shills are generally easier to spot then most shills, since they're typically not communicating to those in the know, they're targeting those who are looking into flat earth, with the goal of making it look silly. They essentially come across like they're doing satire. Even though he isn't a flat earth focused shill, Alex Jones is an example of a highly skilled shill. He typically goes into a character. He then is able to communicate and act with the emotions of that character. He's also good at doing this subtle troll thing to his genuine guests and their talking points.

Anyways, what motivates/incentivizes a shill?... especially a long term shill. If most of us tried it, we would have short responses, lack passion and it would be uncomfortable. Are there shill training programs? Are there portions of society born into secret allegiances (if you will), who essentially act in the best/long term interest of that group? I obviously know that these fake sociopathic actors exist, I've lived it. I was part of a voluntaryist/libertarian/anarchist society of people who moved to a geographic location... obviously the place was infested with various types of undercover agents. Some could even do podcasts and hold passionate positions on things they didn't actually believe in. I would love to understand more about this process, if anyone is familiar or has any theories? Is it MK ultra type shit? Are some of these people in a state of hypnosis carrying out their handlers programmings? I can't entirely wrap my head around the motivation or the psychology behind these people. They're almost certainly sociopaths and/or live in a state of denial where they rationalize why they do what they do. I'm curious what the other members knowledge/experience/theories are on this matter.

[nowhereelsetogo]

Obviously money could be part of it, however it would still be challenging (for myself at least) to hold a position that I didn't actually believe in. When most of us communicate a genuine position, our thoughts are tied to our experiences/emotions, as a result very little memory is required (experiences create a natural bridge for our thoughts). However communicating fake positions requires memorization, which makes it challenging to speak with passion and authenticity, which is why most if not all of them are so easy to spot... in all fairness, if they were good, how would we know?

Exactly. The very best are virtually undetectable. Memory is not required if they are fully versed and on-board with whatever twisted doctrine they're hiding. They delight in their ability to weave enchantment around us,

Alex Jones is an amateur. It's the ones you trust that you need to be careful with.

What motivates a shill is their narcissism and desire for material gain and sensual satisfaction. Many of them probably masturbate a lot.

I wouldn't worry overly about it. Just try very hard to think critically.

[Rapsher]

As I said, I'm skeptical of a shill being virtually undetectable, because it's insanely difficult to be convictious on talking points that one doesn't actually believe in. It of course works on the vast majority of people, since most people are horrendously bad at lie detection, but for anyone even mildly familiar with shills/physical/verbal tells... lying convictiously is almost impossible.

I disagree on Alex Jones being an amateur. If there are things like FBI/CIA shill training programs, which there likely are. Alex Jones is almost certainly revered among the teachers/students and I don't mean that from the angle of being duped by him, since I was aware of his shtick early on, but his ability to go into character and perform for 3-6 hours a day is unique. There of course are numerous videos/etc, proving with 100% certainty that he's a shill, but nonetheless he's a master in the art of deception. The vast vast majority of us would be like the Apollo 11 astronauts in the press conference after the fake moon landing... we certainly would not want to be on display on a daily basis echoing a narrative which we knew was bullshit, even though AJ mostly takes real conspiracies and puts a satirical spin on them to make them seem crazy... but he also creates false details within actual conspiracies, thus creating division among the truth community as to what happened. Don't get me wrong he's a horrible/sinister human being, who's done more harm to the truth than arguably anyone else in the last 20 years, so I'm merely marveling him for being the piece of shit that he is. Perhaps shills are being black mailed in some way?... it's difficult to imagine why someone would voluntarily choose to be a gargantuan piece of shit!

[Zzzap]

Controlled opposition is everywhere.

I find it interesting where people get their "truth" information, regardless of where you do, I love it when the ultimate truth question shows up.  What is the shape of the earth?

If anyone here is familiar with corrbettreport.com. I have participated and watched the community measage board for flat earth information. It is interesting to note how many times it is asked as a legitimate question.
It recently showed up again in a recent comment:

https://www.corbettreport.com/solutionswatch-childrenhistory/#comment-136234

Except when I was a member there, I participated in an active debate about flat earyh MONTHS prior:


https://www.corbettreport.com/holidayopenthread/#comment-126599

Here i mention a link to the
200 proofs:

https://www.corbettreport.com/holidayopenthread/#comment-126621

Is'nt it interesting to note that James Corrbett does not control the community mesaage board. Yet there are many regular community  posters that definitely control the narrative.

HomeRemedySupply, Duck, SteveSmith, cuhj, all have been thoroughly educated on this subject. Yet they always default to the same bullshit lies. Controlled oppsition is in the community chat boards as well.

[Xander]

Does anyone have any knowledge/theories associated with these people who are shills? I've been able to recognize many shills in various arenas over the years, but it's difficult for me to wrap my head around what motivates a shill. Obviously money could be part of it, however it would still be challenging (for myself at least) to hold a position that I didn't actually believe in. When most of us communicate a genuine position, our thoughts are tied to our experiences/emotions, as a result very little memory is required (experiences create a natural bridge for our thoughts). However communicating fake positions requires memorization, which makes it challenging to speak with passion and authenticity, which is why most if not all of them are so easy to spot... in all fairness, if they were good, how would we know? For the most part I'm skeptical that someone would be able to pull off being a shill convincingly (I admit though, I've been fooled by shills/undercover agents in my personal life, however when someone is a friend you tend to make excuses for things that would otherwise be easy to spot), however most people are atrociously bad at reading people, which is perplexing since most of us have had countless human interactions throughout our lives (you have to be living in a zombie like state to miss it), but I digress. The flat earth shills are generally easier to spot then most shills, since they're typically not communicating to those in the know, they're targeting those who are looking into flat earth, with the goal of making it look silly. They essentially come across like they're doing satire. Even though he isn't a flat earth focused shill, Alex Jones is an example of a highly skilled shill. He typically goes into a character. He then is able to communicate and act with the emotions of that character. He's also good at doing this subtle troll thing to his genuine guests and their talking points.    

Anyways, what motivates/incentivizes a shill?... especially a long term shill. If most of us tried it, we would have short responses, lack passion and it would be uncomfortable. Are there shill training programs? Are there portions of society born into secret allegiances (if you will), who essentially act in the best/long term interest of that group? I obviously know that these fake sociopathic actors exist, I've lived it. I was part of a voluntaryist/libertarian/anarchist society of people who moved to a geographic location... obviously the place was infested with various types of undercover agents. Some could even do podcasts and hold passionate positions on things they didn't actually believe in. I would love to understand more about this process, if anyone is familiar or has any theories? Is it MK ultra type shit? Are some of these people in a state of hypnosis carrying out their handlers programmings? I can't entirely wrap my head around the motivation or the psychology behind these people. They're almost certainly sociopaths and/or live in a state of denial where they rationalize why they do what they do. I'm curious what the other members knowledge/experience/theories are on this matter.

I think "shill" is a slur used by any camp when somebody disagrees with what's being said. I've been called a shill a few times because I question things. There was a recent fall out between Above is Below and Mr E in the transvestigation arena and I got called a shill because I didn't think AIB had provided enough evidence to back her accusation that Mr E had been stealing her stuff. I don't care either way. It could have been orchestrated for all I know. I think a lot of genuine people get called shills and bots which I find really frustrating - all just because somebody disagrees with them.

As for actual shills, I think they come in multiple varieties. Some are there to make a movement look stupid (Mark Sargeant), some are there to cause rifts, divisions and fractures in the community, and then there are those that are more serious that are used to gather intel on what people know. Sometimes they are also used to associate a movement with something socially unacceptable - i.e. tarnishing an idea by association. All these types of shills listed are often intelligence assets. The other big group are the non-intelligence type that are only in it for the money. They don't care about the actual topic but will milk it as long as possible as long as it's bringing in the money.


I find it funny how some people will never move on from whoever their first "conspiracy theorist" was. There are people that have followed Icke for years and will never hear a bad word said against him. They would never believe he could be a shill. There's some kind of psychological imprinting that happens with some. It gets to a point where no amount of reason or evidence can persuade them of their error. Even if somebody follows a David Icke, a Jon Levi or an Alex Jones, they can still be an NPC. Only those that genuinely care about the truth will get anywhere.

[Truth Addict]

The image in the OP is not clear. Can you please post a clearer version of it?

[Rapsher]

Does anyone have any knowledge/theories associated with these people who are shills? I've been able to recognize many shills in various arenas over the years, but it's difficult for me to wrap my head around what motivates a shill. Obviously money could be part of it, however it would still be challenging (for myself at least) to hold a position that I didn't actually believe in. When most of us communicate a genuine position, our thoughts are tied to our experiences/emotions, as a result very little memory is required (experiences create a natural bridge for our thoughts). However communicating fake positions requires memorization, which makes it challenging to speak with passion and authenticity, which is why most if not all of them are so easy to spot... in all fairness, if they were good, how would we know? For the most part I'm skeptical that someone would be able to pull off being a shill convincingly (I admit though, I've been fooled by shills/undercover agents in my personal life, however when someone is a friend you tend to make excuses for things that would otherwise be easy to spot), however most people are atrociously bad at reading people, which is perplexing since most of us have had countless human interactions throughout our lives (you have to be living in a zombie like state to miss it), but I digress. The flat earth shills are generally easier to spot then most shills, since they're typically not communicating to those in the know, they're targeting those who are looking into flat earth, with the goal of making it look silly. They essentially come across like they're doing satire. Even though he isn't a flat earth focused shill, Alex Jones is an example of a highly skilled shill. He typically goes into a character. He then is able to communicate and act with the emotions of that character. He's also good at doing this subtle troll thing to his genuine guests and their talking points.    

Anyways, what motivates/incentivizes a shill?... especially a long term shill. If most of us tried it, we would have short responses, lack passion and it would be uncomfortable. Are there shill training programs? Are there portions of society born into secret allegiances (if you will), who essentially act in the best/long term interest of that group? I obviously know that these fake sociopathic actors exist, I've lived it. I was part of a voluntaryist/libertarian/anarchist society of people who moved to a geographic location... obviously the place was infested with various types of undercover agents. Some could even do podcasts and hold passionate positions on things they didn't actually believe in. I would love to understand more about this process, if anyone is familiar or has any theories? Is it MK ultra type shit? Are some of these people in a state of hypnosis carrying out their handlers programmings? I can't entirely wrap my head around the motivation or the psychology behind these people. They're almost certainly sociopaths and/or live in a state of denial where they rationalize why they do what they do. I'm curious what the other members knowledge/experience/theories are on this matter.

I think "shill" is a slur used by any camp when somebody disagrees with what's being said. I've been called a shill a few times because I question things. There was a recent fall out between Above is Below and Mr E in the transvestigation arena and I got called a shill because I didn't think AIB had provided enough evidence to back her accusation that Mr E had been stealing her stuff. I don't care either way. It could have been orchestrated for all I know. I think a lot of genuine people get called shills and bots which I find really frustrating - all just because somebody disagrees with them.

As for actual shills, I think they come in multiple varieties. Some are there to make a movement look stupid (Mark Sargeant), some are there to cause rifts, divisions and fractures in the community, and then there are those that are more serious that are used to gather intel on what people know. Sometimes they are also used to associate a movement with something socially unacceptable - i.e. tarnishing an idea by association.  All these types of shills listed are often intelligence assets. The other big group are the non-intelligence type that are only in it for the money. They don't care about the actual topic but will milk it as long as possible as long as it's bringing in the money.


I find it funny how some people will never move on from whoever their first "conspiracy theorist" was. There are people that have followed Icke for years and will never hear a bad word said against him. They would never believe he could be a shill. There's some kind of psychological imprinting that happens with some. It gets to a point where no amount of reason or evidence can persuade them of their error. Even if somebody follows a David Icke, a Jon Levi or an Alex Jones, they can still be an NPC. Only those that genuinely care about the truth will get anywhere.

Is Jon Levi a Shill/controlled opposition? I'm not that familiar with him other than I know his focus is on architecture and what not. What misinformation is he promoting?

[FlatEarthGeographer]

I’ve noticed many Bio Ball Believers think they are being cute by calling us “flerfs.” Be sure to let them know that being a “flerf” is FAR better than being a barf! 🤮

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JENdWL/

[RileySlowWave]

I’ve noticed many Bio Ball Believers think they are being cute by calling us “flerfs.” Be sure to let them know that being a “flerf” is FAR better than being a barf! 🤮

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JENdWL/

i’m quickly becoming disillusioned w/ IFERS & the community here — it appears to be a Limited Hangout & mostly a distraction

was hoping for more technical discussions & on-point conversations; instead it seems to be banter & wrong info… when original & interesting data is presented, it’s, for me so far, met w/ silence or worse: more distraction

to top it off [sorry IFERS], the ads are an insult to aesthetics, & are a major tell we’re dealing w/ shit here

so i made my own forum(!), which i’m paying to remove ads on [it’s like $6.00/mo. lol], & am being the change i want to see

flateartheducation.com will get you there
https://flatearth.freeforums.net/ direct

like for instance, triangulating the sun to be about 4321 miles above us [during June Solstice] strikes me as kind of important/profound & on-point

even if off by technical degrees, this gives us at least an order of magnitude to consider

guess i’m just a flerf lol lol lol

i hardly expect a cogent reply

will gladly field insults & derision; would be most pleased w/ supportive evidence &/or expounding please & thanks

more likely someone will write about Hitler & the Jews or being tired of life… good god — at least it was a good starting point — i’m grateful to have had my eyes opened & to use my own noodle moving forward

hopefully i’m wrong, misreading, & being sour

thank you for letting me use your space, FlatEarthGeographer; back to TikTok

[FlatEarthGeographer]

That’s unfortunate to hear! Now that you mention it, the ads REALLY are annoying, ESPECIALLY when trying to reply! I’ll check out your forum too!

[TyrannicalSawdustRex]

I’ve noticed many Bio Ball Believers think they are being cute by calling us “flerfs.” Be sure to let them know that being a “flerf” is FAR better than being a barf! 🤮

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JENdWL/

i’m quickly becoming disillusioned w/ IFERS & the community here — it appears to be a Limited Hangout & mostly a distraction

was hoping for more technical discussions & on-point conversations; instead it seems to be banter & wrong info… when original & interesting data is presented, it’s, for me so far, met w/ silence or worse: more distraction

to top it off [sorry IFERS], the ads are an insult to aesthetics, & are a major tell we’re dealing w/ shit here

so i made my own forum(!), which i’m paying to remove ads on [it’s like $6.00/mo. lol], & am being the change i want to see

flateartheducation.com will get you there
https://flatearth.freeforums.net/ direct

like for instance, triangulating the sun to be about 4321 miles above us [during June Solstice] strikes me as kind of important/profound & on-point

even if off by technical degrees, this gives us at least an order of magnitude to consider

guess i’m just a flerf lol lol lol

i hardly expect a cogent reply

will gladly field insults & derision; would be most pleased w/ supportive evidence &/or expounding please & thanks

more likely someone will write about Hitler & the Jews or being tired of life… good god — at least it was a good starting point — i’m grateful to have had my eyes opened & to use my own noodle moving forward

hopefully i’m wrong, misreading, & being sour

thank you for letting me use your space, FlatEarthGeographer; back to TikTok

I think you have the wrong idea about this site . I believe it to be a research site - full of information covering most aspects of our flat earth . Some people ,in my opinion, visit here and pose basic questions - the answers to which are already here in the various sections listed. People don't sit waiting for debate in my experience ,to things which are already explained . Sometimes there will be exchanges of view , which is good , but these are generally on new topics .

I would think that it's obvious that the adverts help Eric with costs associated with his website.

Triangulation cannot be used to measure the distance to any moving object with any degree of accuracy. It's used for survey using stationary points. Just pointing that out .

Please don't give up coming here.

Will visit your website at some point

[Admin]

Forumotion forces the ads with no free way of removing them, and I make absolutely nothing from them. If anyone has an issue with how IFERS is run I agree that starting your own forum is the best way to go

[FlatEarthGeographer]

Forumotion forces the ads with no free way of removing them, and I make absolutely nothing from them.  If anyone has an issue with how IFERS is run I agree that starting your own forum is the best way to go

Thankfully there are ways to interact with posts on here which don’t require having to constantly click away from ads! I was worried I’d have to click back into typing replies every five seconds…

Is it standard for all forums on Forumotion to force ads without a way to get rid of them, or are they singling this particular forum out? I wonder how the individual who replied to my OP was able to pay a small fee to get rid of ads, while they refuse you the option, Eric?

Either way, I’m grateful for any space that anyone is willing to share with us to advance our understanding about the nature of the world we live in. Thank you to ALL those putting forth a noble effort!!!

[FlatEarthGeographer]

Forumotion forces the ads with no free way of removing them, and I make absolutely nothing from them.  If anyone has an issue with how IFERS is run I agree that starting your own forum is the best way to go

I also wanted to thank the main folks within the Flat Earth movement for being such down-to-Flat-Earth people. It’s really cool to see so many of y’all putting in serious effort on a daily basis. Not just in the research work itself, but also in the outreach to those who are unaware and questioning. It become far more easy to see who is shill and who is not when you engage here and on YouTube, Eric, or when Flat Earth Millionaire jumps in to double team a troll on our Tik Tok pages!

What a cool time to be alive!!!

[RileySlowWave]

I’ve noticed many Bio Ball Believers think they are being cute by calling us “flerfs.” Be sure to let them know that being a “flerf” is FAR better than being a barf! 🤮

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JENdWL/

i’m quickly becoming disillusioned w/ IFERS & the community here — it appears to be a Limited Hangout & mostly a distraction

was hoping for more technical discussions & on-point conversations; instead it seems to be banter & wrong info… when original & interesting data is presented, it’s, for me so far, met w/ silence or worse: more distraction

to top it off [sorry IFERS], the ads are an insult to aesthetics, & are a major tell we’re dealing w/ shit here

so i made my own forum(!), which i’m paying to remove ads on [it’s like $6.00/mo. lol], & am being the change i want to see

flateartheducation.com will get you there
https://flatearth.freeforums.net/ direct

like for instance, triangulating the sun to be about 4321 miles above us [during June Solstice] strikes me as kind of important/profound & on-point

even if off by technical degrees, this gives us at least an order of magnitude to consider

guess i’m just a flerf lol lol lol

i hardly expect a cogent reply

will gladly field insults & derision; would be most pleased w/ supportive evidence &/or expounding please & thanks

more likely someone will write about Hitler & the Jews or being tired of life… good god — at least it was a good starting point — i’m grateful to have had my eyes opened & to use my own noodle moving forward

hopefully i’m wrong, misreading, & being sour

thank you for letting me use your space, FlatEarthGeographer; back to TikTok

I think you have the wrong idea about this site . I believe it to be a research site - full of information covering most aspects of our flat earth . Some people ,in my opinion, visit here and pose basic questions - the answers to which are already here in the various sections listed. People don't sit waiting for debate in my experience ,to things which are already explained . Sometimes there will be exchanges of view , which is good , but these are generally on new topics .

I would think that it's obvious that the adverts help Eric with costs associated with his website.
 
Triangulation cannot be used to measure the distance to any moving object with any degree of accuracy. It's used for survey using stationary points. Just pointing that out .

Please don't give up coming here.

Will visit your website at some point

hey, thanks for the good reply [to everyone as well], it’s sort of funny to be in such a minority view & still squabble about authenticity, etc. — although truly i think there’s a sense of potential w/ a community 8000+ members in size on an active forum… we should be crushing this topic up & down

regarding triangulating w/ moving objects, i agree that’s going to be less accurate [for sure], although in this case, the only real varying number used for the calculation was the altitude [could be wrong for sure: i want a sextant!! haha] of Sol from my vantage; then it’s a ‘simple’ distance calculation to the Tropic ‘line’ & an assumed 90° vertical from there: so one distance & 2 angles gives us enough to calculate a triangle — so even if the exactness is off the flavor should be similar: 4321 miles, give or take [probably a few hundred?] during June 21

orders of magnitude: 93,000,000+ miles is a bit far; 400-700 miles [out of Zetetic Astronomy] is a bit short [it seems], & based on a modern-tech borrowing of data [namely linear distance], i’ve at least gotten a number [in first try — next should/will do averages] that’s plausible & repeatable in experiment — for today i’m content w/ the ~4000 mile ballpark, & hope to see [or do] more supporting this

the solstices/equinoxes really should be our money in figuring this out

quickly onto ads: thanks for the reply & clarification [i knew i was “shitting the bed” w/ that post, although these are real grievances — ads suck] — i’m fine granting their permanency via this forum [the site i made my forum on does offer removal for $6.00/mo., for reference]

lastly, coming so “late” to flat-Earth(!!), i’m sure i’ve missed “the party” in building this thing out; so after like 8-10 years or whatever i can imagine the zest may wane or interests change, etc.; so right on

oh, double-lastly: i think getting caught up in personalities around this movement/idea is probably the wrong direction — like as is said & we all ‘know,’ the data/information/explainability [making sense] strikes me as #1 & the people out there doing media [including us] are #2 & far less “important” — being a celebrity around any idea is probably a good way to get smeared — i’ll stop rambling & wish y’all a good day

[wrong data is the worst!]

[FlatEarthGeographer]

I’ve noticed many Bio Ball Believers think they are being cute by calling us “flerfs.” Be sure to let them know that being a “flerf” is FAR better than being a barf! 🤮

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JENdWL/

i’m quickly becoming disillusioned w/ IFERS & the community here — it appears to be a Limited Hangout & mostly a distraction

was hoping for more technical discussions & on-point conversations; instead it seems to be banter & wrong info… when original & interesting data is presented, it’s, for me so far, met w/ silence or worse: more distraction

to top it off [sorry IFERS], the ads are an insult to aesthetics, & are a major tell we’re dealing w/ shit here

so i made my own forum(!), which i’m paying to remove ads on [it’s like $6.00/mo. lol], & am being the change i want to see

flateartheducation.com will get you there
https://flatearth.freeforums.net/ direct

like for instance, triangulating the sun to be about 4321 miles above us [during June Solstice] strikes me as kind of important/profound & on-point

even if off by technical degrees, this gives us at least an order of magnitude to consider

guess i’m just a flerf lol lol lol

i hardly expect a cogent reply

will gladly field insults & derision; would be most pleased w/ supportive evidence &/or expounding please & thanks

more likely someone will write about Hitler & the Jews or being tired of life… good god — at least it was a good starting point — i’m grateful to have had my eyes opened & to use my own noodle moving forward

hopefully i’m wrong, misreading, & being sour

thank you for letting me use your space, FlatEarthGeographer; back to TikTok

I think you have the wrong idea about this site . I believe it to be a research site - full of information covering most aspects of our flat earth . Some people ,in my opinion, visit here and pose basic questions - the answers to which are already here in the various sections listed. People don't sit waiting for debate in my experience ,to things which are already explained . Sometimes there will be exchanges of view , which is good , but these are generally on new topics .

I would think that it's obvious that the adverts help Eric with costs associated with his website.
 
Triangulation cannot be used to measure the distance to any moving object with any degree of accuracy. It's used for survey using stationary points. Just pointing that out .

Please don't give up coming here.

Will visit your website at some point

hey, thanks for the good reply [to everyone as well], it’s sort of funny to be in such a minority view & still squabble about authenticity, etc. — although truly i think there’s a sense of potential w/ a community 8000+ members in size on an active forum… we should be crushing this topic up & down

regarding triangulating w/ moving objects, i agree that’s going to be less accurate [for sure], although in this case, the only real varying number used for the calculation was the altitude [could be wrong for sure: i want a sextant!! haha] of Sol from my vantage; then it’s a ‘simple’ distance calculation to the Tropic ‘line’ & an assumed 90° vertical from there: so one distance & 2 angles gives us enough to calculate a triangle — so even if the exactness is off the flavor should be similar: 4321 miles, give or take [probably a few hundred?] during June 21

orders of magnitude: 93,000,000+ miles is a bit far; 400-700 miles [out of Zetetic Astronomy] is a bit short [it seems], & based on a modern-tech borrowing of data [namely linear distance], i’ve at least gotten a number [in first try — next should/will do averages] that’s plausible & repeatable in experiment — for today i’m content w/ the ~4000 mile ballpark, & hope to see [or do] more supporting this

the solstices/equinoxes really should be our money in figuring this out

quickly onto ads: thanks for the reply & clarification [i knew i was “shitting the bed” w/ that post, although these are real grievances — ads suck] — i’m fine granting their permanency via this forum [the site i made my forum on does offer removal for $6.00/mo., for reference]

lastly, coming so “late” to flat-Earth(!!), i’m sure i’ve missed “the party” in building this thing out; so after like 8-10 years or whatever i can imagine the zest may wane or interests change, etc.; so right on

oh, double-lastly: i think getting caught up in personalities around this movement/idea is probably the wrong direction — like as is said & we all ‘know,’ the data/information/explainability [making sense] strikes me as #1 & the people out there doing media [including us] are #2 & far less “important” — being a celebrity around any idea is probably a good way to get smeared — i’ll stop rambling & wish y’all a good day

[wrong data is the worst!]

I most definitely agree that the information itself is priority, and don’t mean to imply the need for hero worship. I’m just observing that it is telling that those who are honestly pursuing truth tend to exhibit a level of passion, patience, and thoughtfulness which make it easier to sort through the shill/troll static. Hero worship most certainly is useless, but it is important to appreciate the challenges that pioneers face. It takes great courage and inner strength to stand alone, especially with social pressure to behave otherwise.

I can imagine what it must have been like for Eric when he took that first overwhelming step of releasing all his Flat Earth research online, as wave after wave of ignorant troll bombarded him with naive vitriol. I went through the same thing when I decided to stand in solidarity with my fellow Mormons when some women received death threats for organizing ‘Wear Pants to Church Day.’ I immediately began ‘Crossdress to Church,’ and although generally well received by the many denominations I visited (including most Mormon services), the LDS corp decided to assault and falsely arrest me, as well as helped my ex abduct our kids! I was also by myself criticizing the #Dempublican cult, even to the extent of getting kicked out of law school 3 ungraded credits and a final paper shy of graduating over it! I then went through it all over again when the Covid19 nonsense kicked off and I was the only daily shopper that I saw with the courage to refuse to comply with their mandates, even though I lost access to all the good paying Costco batches as a result. People like us clearly don’t do stuff like this for attention, because the risks are frankly not worth it for something so trivial as attention. There are SO many other ways to shout, “look at me”!

Thankfully people have begun to come around on these issues like they have been on the subject of Flat Earth, and it’s far less lonely. May we ALL continue to have the courage to seek and share truth!

[RileySlowWave]

I’ve noticed many Bio Ball Believers think they are being cute by calling us “flerfs.” Be sure to let them know that being a “flerf” is FAR better than being a barf! 🤮

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8JENdWL/

i’m quickly becoming disillusioned w/ IFERS & the community here — it appears to be a Limited Hangout & mostly a distraction

was hoping for more technical discussions & on-point conversations; instead it seems to be banter & wrong info… when original & interesting data is presented, it’s, for me so far, met w/ silence or worse: more distraction

to top it off [sorry IFERS], the ads are an insult to aesthetics, & are a major tell we’re dealing w/ shit here

so i made my own forum(!), which i’m paying to remove ads on [it’s like $6.00/mo. lol], & am being the change i want to see

flateartheducation.com will get you there
https://flatearth.freeforums.net/ direct

like for instance, triangulating the sun to be about 4321 miles above us [during June Solstice] strikes me as kind of important/profound & on-point

even if off by technical degrees, this gives us at least an order of magnitude to consider

guess i’m just a flerf lol lol lol

i hardly expect a cogent reply

will gladly field insults & derision; would be most pleased w/ supportive evidence &/or expounding please & thanks

more likely someone will write about Hitler & the Jews or being tired of life… good god — at least it was a good starting point — i’m grateful to have had my eyes opened & to use my own noodle moving forward

hopefully i’m wrong, misreading, & being sour

thank you for letting me use your space, FlatEarthGeographer; back to TikTok

I think you have the wrong idea about this site . I believe it to be a research site - full of information covering most aspects of our flat earth . Some people ,in my opinion, visit here and pose basic questions - the answers to which are already here in the various sections listed. People don't sit waiting for debate in my experience ,to things which are already explained . Sometimes there will be exchanges of view , which is good , but these are generally on new topics .

I would think that it's obvious that the adverts help Eric with costs associated with his website.
 
Triangulation cannot be used to measure the distance to any moving object with any degree of accuracy. It's used for survey using stationary points. Just pointing that out .

Please don't give up coming here.

Will visit your website at some point

hey, thanks for the good reply [to everyone as well], it’s sort of funny to be in such a minority view & still squabble about authenticity, etc. — although truly i think there’s a sense of potential w/ a community 8000+ members in size on an active forum… we should be crushing this topic up & down

regarding triangulating w/ moving objects, i agree that’s going to be less accurate [for sure], although in this case, the only real varying number used for the calculation was the altitude [could be wrong for sure: i want a sextant!! haha] of Sol from my vantage; then it’s a ‘simple’ distance calculation to the Tropic ‘line’ & an assumed 90° vertical from there: so one distance & 2 angles gives us enough to calculate a triangle — so even if the exactness is off the flavor should be similar: 4321 miles, give or take [probably a few hundred?] during June 21

orders of magnitude: 93,000,000+ miles is a bit far; 400-700 miles [out of Zetetic Astronomy] is a bit short [it seems], & based on a modern-tech borrowing of data [namely linear distance], i’ve at least gotten a number [in first try — next should/will do averages] that’s plausible & repeatable in experiment — for today i’m content w/ the ~4000 mile ballpark, & hope to see [or do] more supporting this

the solstices/equinoxes really should be our money in figuring this out

quickly onto ads: thanks for the reply & clarification [i knew i was “shitting the bed” w/ that post, although these are real grievances — ads suck] — i’m fine granting their permanency via this forum [the site i made my forum on does offer removal for $6.00/mo., for reference]

lastly, coming so “late” to flat-Earth(!!), i’m sure i’ve missed “the party” in building this thing out; so after like 8-10 years or whatever i can imagine the zest may wane or interests change, etc.; so right on

oh, double-lastly: i think getting caught up in personalities around this movement/idea is probably the wrong direction — like as is said & we all ‘know,’ the data/information/explainability [making sense] strikes me as #1 & the people out there doing media [including us] are #2 & far less “important” — being a celebrity around any idea is probably a good way to get smeared — i’ll stop rambling & wish y’all a good day

[wrong data is the worst!]

I most definitely agree that the information itself is priority, and don’t mean to imply the need for hero worship. I’m just observing that it is telling that those who are honestly pursuing truth tend to exhibit a level of passion, patience, and thoughtfulness which make it easier to sort through the shill/troll static. Hero worship most certainly is useless, but it is important to appreciate the challenges that pioneers face. It takes great courage and inner strength to stand alone, especially with social pressure to behave otherwise.

I can imagine what it must have been like for Eric when he took that first overwhelming step of releasing all his Flat Earth research online, as wave after wave of ignorant troll bombarded him with naive vitriol. I went through the same thing when I decided to stand in solidarity with my fellow Mormons when some women received death threats for organizing ‘Wear Pants to Church Day.’ I immediately began ‘Crossdress to Church,’ and although generally well received by the many denominations I visited (including most Mormon services), the LDS corp decided to assault and falsely arrest me, as well as helped my ex abduct our kids! I was also by myself criticizing the #Dempublican cult, even to the extent of getting kicked out of law school 3 ungraded credits and a final paper shy of graduating over it! I then went through it all over again when the Covid19 nonsense kicked off and I was the only daily shopper that I saw with the courage to refuse to comply with their mandates, even though I lost access to all the good paying Costco batches as a result. People like us clearly don’t do stuff like this for attention, because the risks are frankly not worth it for something so trivial as attention. There are SO many other ways to shout, “look at me”!

Thankfully people have begun to come around on these issues like they have been on the subject of Flat Earth, and it’s far less lonely. May we ALL continue to have the courage to seek and share truth!

i fully agree, thank you for sharing that(!)

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