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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Mon May 23, 2022 5:38 am

Looking at the day and night map and filling in different days (with either a full or new moon) from the phase calendar, it seems that

  • there is a full moon when the moon is on the latitude furthest away from the sun's latitude location and (in its monthly pathway, latitude-wise)

  • that there is a new moon when the moon is on (more or less) the same latitude as the sun's latitude location

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Do you notice the same when looking at this map (obviously ignoring the time of the day and the longitude locations of the sun)?

What are your thought on this?

I used the two pages:

https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Mon May 23, 2022 11:35 am

I made some gifs of 2022, from screenshots of the phases throughout the year.
New moon is quite consistent in relation to the sun's latitude, the rest looks different, although there seems to be a pattern (in the latitudes sun/moon):

New moon: https://imgur.com/a/9EZu6X2

First quarter: https://imgur.com/Z4mtCfX

Full moon https://imgur.com/a/ksa5Da2

Third quarter: https://imgur.com/7QgTMga

More gifs:
Year, all phases: https://imgur.com/a/sFKcJgk
Year, all phases, slow: https://imgur.com/a/gt0ILMt

Could you say that, in a flat earth model, the moon cycles the earth 352 times a year, having a delay of 13 cycles in total?

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Tue May 24, 2022 2:30 am

Sorry if I'm only saying obvious stuff here.. (probably), I'm a newbie
But the full moon, on a flat round model (according to this GIF) is always at 180° distance from the sun when measured in a straight line over the north pole.

And in a heliocentric model: wouldn't it mean a eclipse situation? If the sun and full moon are always opposite in both longitude and latitude? (opposite tropic, or both near equator)

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Post by CaliTruth Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:13 am

Emperor's New Clothes wrote:
Could you say that, in a flat earth model, the moon cycles the earth 352 times a year, having a delay of 13 cycles in total?

No, I think you would still say the moon has 13 cycles. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point? A cycle being a full circle and passing the starting point. The Gregorian calendar is not aligned with the planetary cycles. If it was the year would have (13) 28day months just like the female reproductive cycle.

In regards to the 180-degree Full moon position, yes I believe you're correct. The heliocentric model doesn't line up with our observations. Heliocentrics argue a syzigy is the reason for an eclipse but this cannot be occurring if both the sun and moon are both visible to us on Earth during an eclipse. There are other problems with the syzigy theory when you consider shadows and alleged planetary sizes.

You did great putting together these GIFs to show the sun & moon cycles. There's ancient texts that get into the polarity of these two important celestial bodies. They are both about 3,000mi in diameter and are less than 7,000mi away from us. We are trapped in some sort of terrarium battery simulation. The Oceans are salt water (needed for electrical charges) and the sun and moon do the dance of the Tortoise and the Hare, revolving above our heads, charging and discharging energy.

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:10 pm

CaliTruth wrote:
Emperor's New Clothes wrote:
Could you say that, in a flat earth model, the moon cycles the earth 352 times a year, having a delay of 13 cycles in total?

No, I think you would still say the moon has 13 cycles. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point? A cycle being a full circle and passing the starting point. The Gregorian calendar is not aligned with the planetary cycles. If it was the year would have (13) 28day months just like the female reproductive cycle.
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Thanks for replying Smile

I guess I wasn't very clear. The topic would already be complicated in Dutch.. I'll give it another try.

I meant: is the moon circling the earth 352 times a year? 13 times less than the the sun does and does that backdrop of a day (each 28 or so days) cause the 13 moon cycles being behind more and more?


Interesting to think about polarity (I didn't hear before about a possible role of salt water).
I've been wondering whether the moon could be charging the sun each time the sun passes the moon.

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Post by CaliTruth Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:44 pm

Got it. Yes I agree, the moon circles the Earth 352-354 times per year. IN that sense it's the sun that 'falls behind' more and more. The moon is the tortoise and the sun is the Hare in the famous myth.

It's possible that the moon is charging the sun or vice versa. A few researchers have postulated this. The sun seems to have a consistent life-giving output while the moon has a 14-day inward breath of energy followed by another 14-day outward breath. It's interesting to think of the moon functioning like this. We already know sunlight gives heat while moonlight depletes it. We might find some hints of the lunar charge/discharge in the Hindu literature of Ketu and Rahu. We can also look at the Kabbalah for some hints at the relationship between sun & moon

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:06 am

CaliTruth wrote:
In regards to the 180-degree Full moon position, yes I believe you're correct. The heliocentric model doesn't line up with our observations. Heliocentrics argue a syzigy is the reason for an eclipse but this cannot be occurring if both the sun and moon are both visible to us on Earth during an eclipse. There are other problems with the syzigy theory when you consider shadows and alleged planetary sizes.

On top of that, I'm also wondering if, when a syzigy would indeed be the cause of eclipses, than it looks as if at each full moon in 2022 there'd have to be an eclipse. Both longitude and lattitude or opposite, each month, at full moon: https://imgur.com/a/ksa5Da2

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Post by comradelevelplane Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:11 pm

The Spring Equinox marks the beginning of the new astrological year when the sun enters Aries.

During the Spring Equinox the Moon phase is the first quarter moon phase.

The exact moment of first quarter is defined as the time when the moon's eclectic ascension is exactly 90 degrees from the Sun, as observed from the center of earth.
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Post by comradelevelplane Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:18 pm

One bit of old-time astrology that is largely overlooked in today's emphasis on signs, houses and aspects is the "phase" -- its relationship to the Sun, as seen from the Earth. Much like the Moon, wondering stars such as Venus and Mercury have phases, as we see them conjunct, squaring, opposing, squaring and then once more conjoining the Sun. To earlier astrologers, "phase" was important in judging both its strength and its quality.
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Post by Dan-cer Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:11 am

Very interesting topic. I admit that I have not understood everything by far. Will study it further.
I am interested in the question how the moon phases come about. The theory that the moon is a semi-transparent disk (behind which stars are sometimes visible) is not conclusive to me.
If the moon were a disk, I would have a hard time seeing the crescent shape as an attribute of its position to the observer. Wouldn't it then always be a lens shape of different thickness?
I therefore assume that the moon (and also the sun) are spherical celestial bodies. It is said that the moonlight is NOT a reflection of the sunlight. The visible moon phases make sense for me, if the moon has a spherical form. But what is then with the (half) transparency? In order to be able to understand the whole, it should work only on one side, like a mirror, through which one can see from the back side like through a normal glass pane.

There are probably already theories and papers on these questions. Does anyone have links for them?
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Post by CaliTruth Thu Mar 09, 2023 12:39 pm

Hi Dan-cer! I've been pondering the moon shape for quite a few years, I'm glad you jumped in with your comments. I agree that the disk shape doesn't fully fit with our observations. I'm not convinced it's spherical either though.
FACT: We only ever see one face/side of the moon (it rotates a bit but the 'dark side' is never visible).
There was a youtuber a while back that did some experiments a while back (I'll try to find him and link it). He did one experiment that was very convincing: dipped a round plate in and out of a container of water and it mimicked the crescent shape.

I think you're getting close when you say 'lens'. I personally believe now that the moon is in one layer of the firmament, the firmament being a sort of onion with the planetary bodies/lenses embedded in their own layer. My hypothesis is based on my understanding of magic/kabbalah/observation. If you allow yourself to get a bit more magical there's a correlation between the female womb and the moon 28 day menstrual cycle. Some have also posited that while the moonlight is not a reflection of sunlight it may be pulling energy from the sun and 'charging up' so to speak.
FACT#2: Sunlight is warm, aseptic, healing while moonlight is cold & putrefying.
So there's a masculine/feminine balance that the ancient Chinese philosophers immortalized in the Yin & Yang symbol. It should be noted that the Yin Yang symbol clearly shows the sun & moon hovering over the flat circular Earth!

There's an excellent documentary you should check out from content creator WaykiWayki. He has it on the censorship free platform LBRY. It's called: "Cosmology Advanced - The Luminaries Mysterium Documentary"

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Post by Dan-cer Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:03 am

Thank you, @CaliTruth, for your comment and also your recommendation to the documentary. I watched it already and learned a bit more about this topic.
However, as I'm German, I would like to understand more by getting it in my language. I got quite used to English, and watching it at least one more time will help for more understanding.
But if you or anybody could recommend a similar video or book in German, I would appreciate it!
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Post by comradelevelplane Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:48 pm

Dan-cer wrote:Very interesting topic. I admit that I have not understood everything by far. Will study it further.
I am interested in the question how the moon phases come about. The theory that the moon is a semi-transparent disk (behind which stars are sometimes visible) is not conclusive to me.

There are probably already theories and papers on these questions. Does anyone have links for them?

Look into the section here on ifers called 'Sun, Moon and Stars', and the subsection 'Rahu - the Black Sun' for the cause of an eclipse.

Hindu or Vedic Astrology chart two celestial bodies they named Rahu and Ketu. You'll also find video in that subsection.
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Post by Dan-cer Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:19 am

@comradelevelplane
Thank you. That section really gives me more details on the topic.
The questions are not answered but there are interesting theories.
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Post by comradelevelplane Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:31 am

Dan-cer wrote:@comradelevelplane
Thank you. That section really gives me more details on the topic.
The questions are not answered but there are interesting theories.

You wont find 'theories' on this forum. Just the evidence. And, the fact that the moon is always first quarter in the first house (cusp) of Aries is proof that the Sun, Moon and Stars are local to earth as it is demonstrable evidence. As for your question of what causes eclipses their is a lot of proofs here on ifers if you just look and think for yourself.
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Post by Dan-cer Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:38 pm

@comradelevelplane wrote:You wont find 'theories' on this forum.
Thanks for the correction. Not everywhere I can see evidence, since I have not studied physics, astronomy or astrology. In any case, I understood that other celestial bodies - Rahu / Ketu - probably exist, but can not cause the phases of the moon, since then the crescent can not be a semicircle.
And the fact that the moon is always first quarter in the first house (cusp) of Aries is proof that the Sun, Moon and Stars are local to earth as it is demonstrable evidence. As for your question of what causes eclipses their is a lot of proofs here on ifers if you just look and think for yourself.
I'd like to get a video or graphical description of it, the "first quarter in the first house" - topic and real proove of what causes eclipses. Could you provide some links? I have read the Rahu - Black Sun thread.
In general, the only evidence I have found for the causes of eclipses so far is the negative evidence that they are not caused by the Earth.
The mystical mentions of Rahu and Ketu are to be taken seriously and their existence probable. Have I missed any clear evidence of their existance?
I am sorry if that is the case.

I would be happy to try to find more information myself. But of course I am glad about one or the other assistance to find it. There are many YT video links that are removed or private. Unfortunately there aren't alternative links yet.


Many thanks in advance!
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Post by RileySlowWave Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:14 am

hey all, was very curious about Luna's highest altitude in relationship to Earth; so used available resources to compare N/S latitudes & their corresponding Lunar altitudes [90° being straight vertical of course]

quick summary: right there above the EQUATOR hovers our dear moon; w/ what appears to be some movement [in about 28 day cycles... hmm...] giving it a range throughout each month [will need to keep studying to see how far the tropics are spread]

well that's interesting(!)

as a reaching out: would love to know about LUNAR TROPICS & LUNA'S ECLIPSOR if anyone has reliable deets
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Post by Dan-cer Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:38 am

@RileySlowWave Can't follow your thoughts. You mean the moon only is directly above equator, without circling like the sun?
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Post by RileySlowWave Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:57 am

Dan-cer wrote:@RileySlowWave Can't follow your thoughts. You mean the moon only is directly above equator, without circling like the sun?
hey, thanks for asking for clarification:

when using available data of Luna’s altitude [measured in degrees up to 90°], a sort of funny thing happens [to be expected also]: the highest sightings occur along the equator [i mentioned variation because, at least during June, the respective altitude changes day-to-day]

i’ll provide some data points to show this:

from https://timeanddate.com/moon/ecuador/santo-domingo

the ‘Moonrise, Moonset, & Phase Calculator’ on this site shows the moon’s altitude when crossing the local meridian each day [& what time]

Santo Domingo, Ecuador
June 10, 2023: 80.6° [6:12am]
June 11, 2023: 87.3° [7:00am]
June 12, 2033: 86.0° [7:46am]

June 18, 2023: 61.5° [12:45pm]

so you’ll see, places along the equator like Ecuador [lol] DO feature nearly vertical Luna, except it crosses the zenith in cycles, which tells me it must be widening/narrowing its path at least to some degree…

by nature, if this is the case [the moon’s path has variation, similar & to a smaller extent than the sun], this would imply Lunar Tropics [turning points]

finally, i checked locales throughout the world [north & southern places had lower altitudes; the highest like i said fell along the equator] — i’ll keep exploring the band from Equator-to-Capricorn/Cancer to determine an altitude curve
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Post by RileySlowWave Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:27 pm

hey all, i had some very good results on Lunar Tropic research today:

it seems, based on data available, that Luna has tropics just beyond Sol's tropics [Cancer & Capricorn of course]; there being a bit north & a bit south respectively

most fascinating [i thought], she/it makes this transfer every ~28 days or so; hitting each tropic in a fortnight [2 weeks]

so in layman's, every 28 days or so one can look overhead while in southern Paraguay & see Luna straight vertical; then it drops to a much lower altitude [from vantage] while it tightens its circle northward, passing overhead in Kathmandu & New Delhi in a fortnight; then turning & heading back south, where it again reaches this near-Capricorn tropic

next the thing to check is how this matches up w/ the phases...

Lunar Zenith [EQUITORIAL] https://flatearth.freeforums.net/post/21/thread
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Post by Senpai420 Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:48 am

Wasn't sure where to post this so thought id ask here.

Does this video prove heliocentric model bogus?

I know the exposure is really high but a moon like that would not be possible on globe earth?

If the suns light is reflecting off the moon would it change from warm white to a cool white?

But then why are there shadows on the moon?

Ahh so many questions. On side note i love watching the ship time lapses at sea, just seeing how parralel the clouds are and how flat they are underneath compared to the flat ocean its just extremely obviously to me the earth is flat.

Im not allowed to post links as im new but youtube "High Altitude Balloon Launched at Night-time Shows The Sun and Proves FLAT EARTH" by flat earth, banjo, usa, japan and Brazil.

The 9:45 mark you see a beautiful view of the moon with the sun further away.

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Post by nowhereelsetogo Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:12 pm

[quote="Senpai420"]Wasn't sure where to post this so thought id ask here.

Does this video prove heliocentric model bogus?

I know the exposure is really high but a moon like that would not be possible on globe earth?

If the suns light is reflecting off the moon would it change from warm white to a cool white?

But then why are there shadows on the moon?

Ahh so many questions. On side note i love watching the ship time lapses at sea, just seeing how parralel the clouds are and how flat they are underneath compared to the flat ocean its just extremely obviously to me the earth is flat.

Im not allowed to post links as im new but youtube "High Altitude Balloon Launched at Night-time Shows The Sun and Proves FLAT EARTH" by flat earth, banjo, usa, japan and Brazil.

The 9:45 mark you see a beautiful view of the moon with the sun further away.[/quote


I liked the video, but not the emotional music. Beethoven or Vivaldi would do as well (both fake composers, like Mozart), without trying to coach our emotions. One thing I noted that the captions said 'sun beneath the clouds' which in my view is simply not possible. It should have said sun 'appearing to be' below clouds because of the distance.
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