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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Mon May 23, 2022 2:38 pm

Looking at the day and night map and filling in different days (with either a full or new moon) from the phase calendar, it seems that

  • there is a full moon when the moon is on the latitude furthest away from the sun's latitude location and (in its monthly pathway, latitude-wise)

  • that there is a new moon when the moon is on (more or less) the same latitude as the sun's latitude location

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Do you notice the same when looking at this map (obviously ignoring the time of the day and the longitude locations of the sun)?

What are your thought on this?

I used the two pages:

https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Mon May 23, 2022 8:35 pm

I made some gifs of 2022, from screenshots of the phases throughout the year.
New moon is quite consistent in relation to the sun's latitude, the rest looks different, although there seems to be a pattern (in the latitudes sun/moon):

New moon: https://imgur.com/a/9EZu6X2

First quarter: https://imgur.com/Z4mtCfX

Full moon https://imgur.com/a/ksa5Da2

Third quarter: https://imgur.com/7QgTMga

More gifs:
Year, all phases: https://imgur.com/a/sFKcJgk
Year, all phases, slow: https://imgur.com/a/gt0ILMt

Could you say that, in a flat earth model, the moon cycles the earth 352 times a year, having a delay of 13 cycles in total?

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Tue May 24, 2022 11:30 am

Sorry if I'm only saying obvious stuff here.. (probably), I'm a newbie
But the full moon, on a flat round model (according to this GIF) is always at 180° distance from the sun when measured in a straight line over the north pole.

And in a heliocentric model: wouldn't it mean a eclipse situation? If the sun and full moon are always opposite in both longitude and latitude? (opposite tropic, or both near equator)

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Post by CaliTruth Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:13 pm

Emperor's New Clothes wrote:
Could you say that, in a flat earth model, the moon cycles the earth 352 times a year, having a delay of 13 cycles in total?

No, I think you would still say the moon has 13 cycles. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point? A cycle being a full circle and passing the starting point. The Gregorian calendar is not aligned with the planetary cycles. If it was the year would have (13) 28day months just like the female reproductive cycle.

In regards to the 180-degree Full moon position, yes I believe you're correct. The heliocentric model doesn't line up with our observations. Heliocentrics argue a syzigy is the reason for an eclipse but this cannot be occurring if both the sun and moon are both visible to us on Earth during an eclipse. There are other problems with the syzigy theory when you consider shadows and alleged planetary sizes.

You did great putting together these GIFs to show the sun & moon cycles. There's ancient texts that get into the polarity of these two important celestial bodies. They are both about 3,000mi in diameter and are less than 7,000mi away from us. We are trapped in some sort of terrarium battery simulation. The Oceans are salt water (needed for electrical charges) and the sun and moon do the dance of the Tortoise and the Hare, revolving above our heads, charging and discharging energy.

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:10 pm

CaliTruth wrote:
Emperor's New Clothes wrote:
Could you say that, in a flat earth model, the moon cycles the earth 352 times a year, having a delay of 13 cycles in total?

No, I think you would still say the moon has 13 cycles. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point? A cycle being a full circle and passing the starting point. The Gregorian calendar is not aligned with the planetary cycles. If it was the year would have (13) 28day months just like the female reproductive cycle.
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Thanks for replying Smile

I guess I wasn't very clear. The topic would already be complicated in Dutch.. I'll give it another try.

I meant: is the moon circling the earth 352 times a year? 13 times less than the the sun does and does that backdrop of a day (each 28 or so days) cause the 13 moon cycles being behind more and more?


Interesting to think about polarity (I didn't hear before about a possible role of salt water).
I've been wondering whether the moon could be charging the sun each time the sun passes the moon.

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Post by CaliTruth Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:44 pm

Got it. Yes I agree, the moon circles the Earth 352-354 times per year. IN that sense it's the sun that 'falls behind' more and more. The moon is the tortoise and the sun is the Hare in the famous myth.

It's possible that the moon is charging the sun or vice versa. A few researchers have postulated this. The sun seems to have a consistent life-giving output while the moon has a 14-day inward breath of energy followed by another 14-day outward breath. It's interesting to think of the moon functioning like this. We already know sunlight gives heat while moonlight depletes it. We might find some hints of the lunar charge/discharge in the Hindu literature of Ketu and Rahu. We can also look at the Kabbalah for some hints at the relationship between sun & moon

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Post by Emperor's New Clothes Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:06 pm

CaliTruth wrote:
In regards to the 180-degree Full moon position, yes I believe you're correct. The heliocentric model doesn't line up with our observations. Heliocentrics argue a syzigy is the reason for an eclipse but this cannot be occurring if both the sun and moon are both visible to us on Earth during an eclipse. There are other problems with the syzigy theory when you consider shadows and alleged planetary sizes.

On top of that, I'm also wondering if, when a syzigy would indeed be the cause of eclipses, than it looks as if at each full moon in 2022 there'd have to be an eclipse. Both longitude and lattitude or opposite, each month, at full moon: https://imgur.com/a/ksa5Da2

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