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Post by Realearth Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:12 pm

odd wrote:This one has me stumped at the moment. When the boat disappears from your perspective you can bring it back into view with a telescope or zoom camera. Why doesn't this also work for the sun?

This does work for the Sun.


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Post by Schpankme Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:17 pm

Perspective offset with improved optics.

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Post by Admin Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:06 pm



It may look like the sun was heading off into the distance and getting smaller. *But don't believe your eyes or trust your common sense* What in fact was happening was that you are spinning backwards at a 1000mph away from the sun and it just 'looks' like the sun is getting smaller ;-)
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Post by Admin Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:44 am



In the Flat-Earth model, the Sun and Moon spotlights are perpetually hovering over and parallel to the surface of the Earth. From our vantage point, due to the Law of Perspective, the day/night luminaries appear to rise up the Eastern horizon, curve peaking high overhead, and then sink below the Western horizon. They do not escape to the underside of the Flat-Earth as one might imagine, but rather rotate concentric clockwise circles around the circumference from tropic to tropic. The appearance of rising, peaking and setting is due to the common Law of Perspective where tall objects appear high overhead when nearby, but at a distance gradually lower towards the vanishing point.

“Although the Sun is at all times above and parallel to the Earth’s surface, he appears to ascend the firmament from morning until noon, and to descend and sink below the horizon at evening. This arises from a simple and everywhere visible law of perspective. A flock of birds, when passing over a flat or marshy country, always appears to descend as it recedes; and if the flock is extensive, the first bird appears lower, or nearer to the horizon than the last. The farthest light in a row of lamps appears the lowest, although each one has the same altitude. Bearing these phenomena in mind, it will easily be seen how the Sun, although always parallel to the surface of the Earth, must appear to ascend when approaching, and descend after leaving the meridian or noon-day position. What can be more common than the observation that, standing at one end of a long row of lamp-posts, those nearest to us seem to be the highest; and those farthest away the lowest; whilst, as we move along towards the opposite end of the series, those which we approach seem to get higher, and those we are leaving behind appear to gradually become lower … It is an ordinary effect of perspective for an object to appear lower and lower as the observer goes farther and farther away from it. Let any one try the experiment of looking at a light-house, church spire, monument, gas lamp, or other elevated object, from a distance of only a few yards, and notice the angle at which it is observed. On going farther away, the angle under which it is seen will diminish, and the object will appear lower and lower as the distance of the observer increases, until, at a certain point, the line of sight to the object, and the apparently uprising surface of the earth upon or over which it stands, will converge to the angle which constitutes the ‘vanishing point’ or the horizon; beyond which it will be invisible.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (85 and 231)


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Post by iwanttobefree Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:49 am

great video eric i think zooming on the sunset is one of the most interesting proofs.

sorry to ask but i cant buy a p900 or i wóuld do it on my own, but im sure many here have one.
i would like to see more zooming on the sunset with different variations even maybe a zoom on the moon setting?
if i look for it on youtube i can see that the powers that blää have sent out a lot of failed zooming tests, it wouldnt be a bad thing to even the odds a bit on this hard hitting proof.


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Post by tristancobane Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:16 pm

I watched Eric's latest video this morning. There's some great footage of this phenomenon. The sun disappears from our naked eye perspective. However, at maximum zoom with these cameras you can see the entire sun hovering well above the horizon line. I haven't been able to acquire a P900 myself but I've been 100% satisfied for years that this is the truth. I'm just curious how the sun generates its light and heat. A lot of ballers continue to ask "how does the sun work on flat earth then dummy?" but I'm sure they wouldn't even bother to watch these videos.
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Post by Admin Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:37 pm

Regarding "Why the Sun doesn't shrink into a dot" we have a whole thread on that as well: http://ifers.123.st/t137-magnification-of-the-sun-moon-near-the-horizon
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Post by Schpankme Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:01 pm

tristancobane wrote:
ballers continue to ask "how does the sun work on flat earth then dummy?"

Balltards have cognitive dissonance, they refuse to except the Law of Perspective, which dictates straight lines from every conceivable angle, and these lines must terminate at the vanishing point (Horizon).  You know your dealing with a Troll when they refuse to except Perspective, or the illusion that objects look to be getting smaller as they move away from the observer.

There can be no Curvature on the Horizon with Perspective

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Post by Balzakthegreat Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:33 am

Hey everyone,

Is there any footage of the sun disappearing completely over the horizon, then being brought back into view with a zoom?

Thanks

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Post by EPW1488 Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:31 pm

https://youtu.be/xqAOsI2Ekf0


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Post by BamPow Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:01 am

Thanks for sharing the above video, EPW1488. However, this is not a video of the sun completely disappearing beyond the horizon and then being zoomed back into view. Does anyone have footage of the sun completely disappearing beyond the horizon and then being brought back into view with a zoom?

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Post by Stuart B Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:33 am

BamPow wrote:Thanks for sharing the above video, EPW1488. However, this is not a video of the sun completely disappearing beyond the horizon and then being zoomed back into view. Does anyone have footage of the sun completely disappearing beyond the horizon and then being brought back into view with a zoom?

Yeah seems odd all the vids are short, none actually follow the sun to vanishing point whereas I have many photos / vids showing the sun setting.
The one that does - the sped up Koh Chang vid - doesn't look like anything I have ever witnessed so seems odd
I guess I need to learn about this "Perspective" malarky

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Post by spinningwaterrockhaha Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm

This was recently posted on insta and I am not sure what is happening here:
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Post by Gemini Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:25 am

Question,

Many claims that the sun gets bigger during sun-set. I watched dozens of videos on youtube with time-lapse its never the case! The sun gets smaller and smaller! They have photos of giant sun over the horizon, but there is no single video showing this! am I missing something?

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Post by Russian Blue Cat Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:36 pm

Gemini wrote:Question,

Many claims that the sun gets bigger during sun-set. I watched dozens of videos on youtube with time-lapse its never the case! The sun gets smaller and smaller! They have photos of giant sun over the horizon, but there is no single video showing this! am I missing something?

things get smaller as they go away from us, it's how perspective works, so whoever is saying the sun gets bigger during sun set is clearly wrong or lying.

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Note: water in the air can cause the sun to look bigger than it really is, viewing the sun when you're in a dry desert environment you see the sun's actual size and viewing the sun in a humid environment causes the sun to look bigger because the water in the air causes a slight magnification effect to the viewer


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Post by maril Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:42 am

You should not be able to see it after it "sets" because it has gone beyond the visibility limit set by it's light output.  I'm trying a bit to make sense of how the cubic decrease in luminosity vs distance leads to this effect but I really should have some data first.

This is in sharp contrast to a boat, which is disappearing into the distortion of the waves and the vanishing point of perspective.  

Sun: visibility limit due to refraction
Boat: vanishing point of perspective

I'm not saying that the sun isn't going beyond the vanishing point, it really is, just that the vanishing point works a bit different for highly luminous objects because of glare/refraction.

A telescope should not help here.  While I can imagine a telescope as "collecting more light" it doesn't seem to work in practice because of how much the glare effects the perceived vanishing point.

Think of it this way.  As the sun gets further away, the light gets more and more distorted by the atmosphere, leading to size variations, shape variations, and color variations.  The "setting" part is more about the limits of the refraction through the atmosphere.

Ok so that is my theory, would love a video with a powerful zoom to prove me wrong, and some luminosity measurement that we can graph out.

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