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Post by csp Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:55 am

As I don't have a lot of time to read these days (and I have a back log of bookmarks, as well as keeping up with everything on the forum), I'm creating this thread so others can post resources, or read through resources others have posted that may or may not contain relevant data to FE (or related topics).

Here's a book I found, which seems to be written by a devout christian, who is also a lawyer - however the front cover has a FE image, along with other symbols and on a brief flick through I saw it contains lots of information on NWO action with citations/references:

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wrote:Note: This is an article about Operation Fishbowl that I originally wrote in 2009 for Wikipedia. Although the article in Wikipedia is substantially unchanged after several months, it is out of my control once it is posted to Wikipedia, so I thought that it would be wise to post my own version on this site. A short video of the Bluegill Prime has been added.

Operation Fishbowl was a series of high altitude nuclear tests in 1962 that were carried out by the United States as a part of the larger Operation Dominic nuclear test program.





The Operation Fishbowl nuclear tests were originally planned to be completed during the first half of 1962 with three tests named Bluegill, Starfish and Urraca.(1)

The first test attempt was actually delayed until June. Planning for Operation Fishbowl, as well as many other nuclear tests in the region, was begun rapidly in response to the sudden Soviet announcement on 30 August 1961 that they were ending a three year moratorium on nuclear testing.(2) The rapid planning of very complex operations necessitated many changes as the project progressed.

Urraca was to be a low yield test at very high altitude. The proposed Urraca test was always controversial, especially after the damage caused to satellites by the Starfish Prime detonation, as described below. Urraca was finally canceled, and an extensive re-evaluation of the Operation Fishbowl plan was made during an 82-day operations pause after the Bluegill Prime disaster of 25 July 1962, as described below.

The photo at the right shows an array of rockets with instruments for making scientific measurements of high-altitude nuclear tests during liftoff preparations on Johnston Island.







All of the tests were to be launched on missiles from Johnston Island in the Pacific Ocean north of the equator. Johnston Island had already been established as a launch site for United States high-altitude nuclear tests, rather than the other locations in the Pacific Proving Grounds. In 1958, Lewis Strauss, then chairman of the United States Atomic Energy Commission, opposed doing any high-altitude tests at locations that had been used for earlier Pacific nuclear tests. His opposition was because of fears that the flash from the nighttime high-altitude detonations might blind civilians who were living on nearby islands. Johnston Island was a remote location, more distant from populated areas than other potential test locations.(3) In order to protect residents of the Hawaiian Islands from flash blindness or permanent retinal injury from the bright nuclear flash, the nuclear missiles of Operation Fishbowl were launched generally toward the southwest of Johnston Island so that the detonations would be farther from Hawaii.

A test named Kingfish was added during the early stages of Operation Fishbowl planning. Two low-yield tests, Checkmate and Tightrope, were also added during the project, so the final number of tests in Operation Fishbowl were 5:

According to the United States government reporting system, in the above table: "Submegaton" means a nuclear weapon yield of less than one megaton and greater than 200 kilotons. "Low kiloton" means a nuclear weapon yield of less than 20 kilotons.(4) Probable weapon yields are discussed further in the text below describing the particular test. Detonation times are Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) in the format hours:minutes:seconds
The most precise detonation locations can be found in a Defense Nuclear Agency updated report released in 1979.(27)

Research Directions:

The United States completed six high-altitude nuclear tests in 1958, but the high-altitude tests of that year raised a number of questions. According to U.S. Government Report ADA955694 on the first successful test of the Fishbowl series, "Previous high-altitude nuclear tests: TEAK, ORANGE, and YUCCA, plus the three ARGUS shots were poorly instrumented and hastily executed. Despite thorough studies of the meager data, present models of these bursts are sketchy and tentative. These models are too uncertain to permit extrapolation to other altitudes and yields with any confidence. Thus there is a strong need, not only for better instrumentation, but for further tests covering a range of altitudes and yields."(6)

There were three phenomena in particular that required further investigation:

1. The electromagnetic pulse generated by a high-altitude nuclear explosion appeared to have very significant differences from the electromagnetic pulse generated by nuclear explosions closer to the surface.

2. The auroras associated with high-altitude nuclear explosions, especially the auroras that appeared almost instantaneously far away from the explosion in the opposite hemisphere, were not clearly understood. The nature of the possible radiation belts that were initially generated along the magnetic field lines connecting the areas of the auroral displays were also poorly understood.

3. Areas of blackout of radio communication needed to be understood in much more detail since that information would be critical for military operations during periods of possible nuclear explosions.

The Fishbowl tests were monitored by a large number of surface and aircraft-based stations in the wide area around the planned detonations and also in the region in the southern hemisphere in the Samoan Islands region, which was known in these tests as the southern conjugate region. Johnston Island is in the northern hemisphere, as were all of the planned Operation Fishbowl nuclear detonation locations. It was known from previous high altitude tests, as well as from theoretical work done in the late 1950s, that high-altitude nuclear tests produce a number of unique geophysical phenomena at the opposite end of the magnetic field line of the Earth's magnetic field.
Resources To Be Investigated MagneticconjugateAccording to the standard reference book on nuclear weapon effects by the United States Department of Defense, "For the high-altitude tests conducted in 1958 and 1962 in the vicinity of Johnston Island, the charged particles entered the atmosphere in the northern hemisphere between Johnston Island and the main Hawaiian Islands, whereas the conjugate region was in the vicinity of the Samoan, Fiji, and Tonga Islands. It is in these areas that auroras were actually observed, in addition to those in the areas of the nuclear explosions."(CoolResources To Be Investigated Pacific-fishbowlBeta particles are charged particles (usually with a negative electrical charge) that are released from nuclear explosions. These particles travel in a spiral along the magnetic field lines in the Earth's magnetic field. The nuclear explosions also release heavier debris ions, which also carry an electrical charge, and which also travel in a spiral along the Earth's magnetic field lines.

The Earth's magnetic field lines arc high above the Earth until they reach the magnetic conjugate area in the opposite hemisphere.

According to the DOD nuclear weapon effects reference, "Because the beta particles have high velocities, the beta auroras in the remote (southern) hemisphere appeared within a fraction of a second of those in the hemisphere where the burst had occurred. The debris ions, however, travel more slowly and so the debris aurora in the remote hemisphere, if it is formed, appears at a somewhat later time. The beta auroras are generally most intense at an altitude of 30 to 60 miles, whereas the intensity of the debris auroras is greatest in the 60 to 125 miles range. Remote conjugate beta auroras can occur if the detonation is above 25 miles, whereas debris auroras appear only if the detonation altitude is in excess of some 200 miles."(Cool

Some of the charged particles traveling along the Earth's magnetic field lines cause auroras and other geophysical phenomena in the conjugate areas. Other charged particles are reflected back along the magnetic field lines, where they can persist for long periods of time (up to several months or longer), forming artificial radiation belts.(9)
According to the Operation Fishbowl planning document of November 1961, "Since much valuable data can be obtained from time and spectrum resolved photography, this dictates that the test be performed at nighttime when auroral photographic conditions are best."(7) As with all U.S. Pacific high-altitude nuclear tests, all of the Operation Fishbowl tests were completed at night. This is in contrast to the Soviet high-altitude tests of the K Project, which were done over the populated land region of central Kazakhstan, and therefore had to be done during the daytime to avoid eyeburn damage to the population from the very bright flash of high-altitude nuclear explosions (as discussed in the introduction to this article).





First Attempts:

According to the initial plan of Operation Fishbowl, the nuclear tests were to be Bluegill, Starfish and Urraca, in that order. If a test were to fail, the next attempt of the same test would be of the same name plus the word "prime." If Bluegill failed, the next attempt would be "Bluegill Prime, and if "Bluegill Prime" failed, the next attempt would be "Bluegill Double Prime," etc.

Bluegill:

The first planned test of Operation Fishbowl was on 2 June 1962 when a nuclear warhead was launched from Johnston Island on a Thor missile just after midnight. Although the Thor missile appeared to be on a normal trajectory, the radar tracking system lost track of the missile. Because of the large number of ships and aircraft in the area, there was no way to predict if the missile was on a safe trajectory, so the range safety officers ordered the missile with its warhead to be destroyed. No nuclear detonation occurred and no data were obtained.(10)

Starfish:

The second planned test of Operation Fishbowl was on 19 June 1962. The launch of a Thor missile with a nuclear warhead occurred just before midnight from Johnston Island. The Thor missile flew a normal trajectory for 59 seconds; then the rocket engine suddenly stopped, and the missile began to break apart. The range safety officer ordered the destruction of the missile and the warhead. The missile was between 30,000 and 35,000 feet (between 9.1 and 10.7 km) in altitude when it was destroyed.

Some of the missile parts fell on Johnston Island, and a large amount of missile debris fell into the ocean in the vicinity of the island. Navy Explosive Ordnance Disposal and Underwater Demolition Team swimmers recovered approximately 250 pieces of the missile assembly during the next two weeks. Some of the debris was contaminated with plutonium. Nonessential personnel had been evacuated from Johnston Island during the test.

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On 9 July 1962, at 09:00:09 UTC, which was nine seconds after 10 p.m. (on 8 July 1962) Johnston Island local time, the Starfish Prime test was successfully detonated at an altitude of 400 kilometers (250 mi). The coordinates of the detonation were 16 degrees, 28 minutes North latitude, 169 degrees, 38 minutes West longitude (30 km., or about 18 miles, southwest of Johnston Island).(11) The actual weapon yield was very close to the design yield, which has been described by various sources at different values in the very narrow range of 1.4 to 1.45 megatons (6.0 petajoules). (The detonation time was 9 seconds after 11 p.m. on July 8 in Honolulu.)

The Thor missile carrying the Starfish Prime warhead actually reached an apogee (maximum height) of about 1100 km. (just over 680 miles), and the warhead was detonated on its downward trajectory when it had fallen to the programmed altitude of 400 kilometers (250 miles). The nuclear warhead detonated at 13 minutes and 41 seconds after liftoff of the Thor missile.(12)

Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) which was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometers (898 miles) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link.(11)

A total of 27 small rockets were launched from Johnston Island to obtain experimental data from the shot, with the first of the support rockets being launched 2 hours and 45 minutes before the launch of the Thor missile carrying the nuclear warhead. Most of these smaller instrumentation rockets were launched just after the time of the launch of the main Thor missile carrying the warhead. In addition, a large number of rocket-borne instruments were launched from a firing area at Barking Sands, Kauai in the Hawaiian Islands.(13)

A very large number of United States military ships and aircraft were operating in support of Starfish Prime in the Johnston Island area and across the nearby North Pacific region. A few military ships and aircraft were also positioned in the southern conjugate region for the test, which was near the Samoan Islands. In addition, an uninvited scientific expeditionary ship from the Soviet Union was stationed near Johnston Island for the test and another Soviet scientific expeditionary ship was located in the southern conjugate region.(14)

After the Starfish Prime detonation, bright auroras were observed in the detonation area as well as in the southern conjugate region on the other side of the equator from the detonation. According to one of the first technical reports, "The visible phenomena due to the burst were widespread and quite intense; a very large area of the Pacific was illuminated by the auroral phenomena, from far south of the south magnetic conjugate area (Tongatapu) through the burst area to far north of the north conjugate area (French Frigate Shoals). . . . At twilight after the burst, resonant scattering of light from lithium and other debris was observed at Johnston and French Frigate Shoals for many days confirming the long time presence of debris in the atmosphere. An interesting side effect was that the Royal New Zealand Air Force was aided in anti-submarine maneuvers by the light from the bomb."(13)

The southern hemisphere aurora that appeared almost immediately after the detonation (in the southern conjugate region) was centered on the coordinates of 17.22°S, 175.95°W. This is pretty much directly north of Tonga and directly east of Fiji.(26)

The Starfish Prime radiation belt persisted at high altitude for many months and damaged the United States satellites Ariel, Traac, Transit 4B, Injun I and Telstar I. It also damaged the Soviet satellite Cosmos V. All of these satellites failed completely within several months of the Starfish detonation.(9) There is also evidence that the Starfish Prime radiation belt may have damaged the satellites Explorer 14, Explorer 15 and Relay 1.(16) (28)

Telstar I lasted the longest of the satellites that were clearly damaged by the Starfish Prime radiation, with its complete failure occurring on February 21, 1963.(17)

Bluegill Prime:

On 25 July 1962, a second attempt was made to launch the Bluegill device. Due to a sticking valve, the Thor missile malfunctioned after ignition of the rocket engine, but before leaving the launch pad. The range safety officer destroyed the nuclear warhead by radio command with the missile still on the launch pad. The Thor missile then exploded, causing extensive damage in the area of the launch pad.

Although there was no danger of an accidental nuclear explosion, the destruction of the nuclear warhead on the launch pad caused extensive contamination of the area by alpha-emitting radioactive materials. Burning rocket fuel, flowing through the cable trenches, caused extensive chemical contamination of the trenches and the equipment associated with the cabling in the trenches.

The radiation contamination on Johnston Island was determined to be a major problem, and it was necessary to decontaminate the entire area before the badly damaged launch pad could be rebuilt.(18)

For those who wish to see a short video of the actual Bluegill Prime disaster and aftermath, the video is now available on this web site in Microsoft Windows Video (wmv) format. The video is just 76 seconds long and is a 4 megabyte download. The video is at:


http://www.futurescience.com/emp/Bluegill-Prime.wmv


You can right-click on the video link above, and then click on "save target as" or you can usually just click normally on the video link and your browser will usually give you options on what to do (depending upon the browser and other software installed on your computer). These options will usually include the option to play the video immediately if you have Windows Media Player or any other media player that will play wmv files on your computer. The video will open in a new tab or a new window. The video has a strange color tint to it because of the unfortunate dye characteristics of the 1962 Kodachrome film used during the 1962 nuclear test series. It wasn't discovered until more than a decade later that this film had very poor archival qualities.

At 15 seconds into the video, you can clearly see the thermonuclear weapon being ejected vertically from the nose of the Thor missile (while still on the launch pad) using a single-point detonation as commanded by the safety officer.

More video options may become available later for viewing this video without the color distortions and with somewhat better sharpness.
Operations Pause:

Operation Fishbowl test operations stopped after the disastrous failure of Bluegill Prime, and most of the personnel not directly involved in the radioactive cleanup and launch pad rebuild on Johnston Island returned to their home stations to await the resumption of tests.

According to the Operation Dominic I report, "The enforced pause allowed DOD to replan the remainder of the Fishbowl series. The Urraca event was canceled to avoid further damage to satellites and three new shots were added."(19) A second launch pad was constructed during the operations pause so that Operation Fishbowl could continue in the event of another serious accident.

The photo at the right shows the inspection of Thor engine parts after the radiation contamination following the Bluegill Prime disaster on Johnston Island.
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After a pause of nearly three months, Operation Fishbowl was ready to continue, beginning with another attempt at the Bluegill test.

Bluegill Double Prime:

Eighty two days after the failure of Bluegill Prime, about 30 minutes before midnight on the night of 15 October 1962, local Johnston Island time (16 October UTC), another attempt was made at the Bluegill test. The Thor missile malfunctioned and began tumbling out of control about 85 seconds after launch, and the range safety officer ordered the destruction of the missile and its nuclear warhead about 95 seconds after launch.(20)

Checkmate:

On 19 October 1962, at about 90 minutes before midnight (local Johnston Island time), an XM-33 Strypi rocket launched a low-yield nuclear warhead which detonated successfully at an altitude of 147 km. (91 miles). It was reported that the yield and burst altitude were very close to those desired, but according to most official documents the exact nuclear yield remains classified. It is reported in the open literature as simply being less than 20 kilotons. One report by the U.S. federal government, however, reported the Checkmate test yield as 10 kilotons.(5)

It was reported that, "Observers on Johnston Island saw a green and blue circular region surrounded by a blood-red ring formed overhead that faded in less than 1 minute. Blue-green streamers and numerous pink striations formed, the latter lasting for 30 minutes. Observers at Samoa saw a white flash, which faded to orange and disappeared in about 1 minute."(21)

Bluegill Triple Prime:

The fourth attempt at the Bluegill test was launched on a Thor missile on 25 October 1962 (Johnston Island time). It resulted in a successful detonation of a submegaton nuclear warhead at about one minute before midnight, local time. (The official Coordinated Universal Time was 0959 on 26 October 1962.) Although officially reported only as being in the submegaton range (meaning more than 200 kilotons but less than one megaton), most observers of the U.S. nuclear testing programs believe that the nuclear yield was about 400 kilotons.(22) One report by the U.S. federal government, however, reported the test yield as 200 kilotons.(5)

Since all of the Operation Fishbowl tests were planned to occur during the nighttime, the potential for eyeburn, especially for permanent retinal damage, was an important consideration at all levels of planning. Much research went into the potential eyeburn problem. One of the official reports for the project stated that, for the altitudes planned for the Bluegill, Kingfish and Checkmate tests, "the thermal-pulse durations are of the same order of magnitude or shorter than the natural blink period which, for the average person, is about 150 milliseconds. Furthermore, the atmospheric attenuation is normally much less for a given distance than in the case of sea-level or near-sea-level explosions. Consequently, the eye-damage hazard is more severe."(9)

Two cases of retinal damage did occur with military personnel on Johnston Island during the Bluegill Triple Prime test. Neither individual had his protective goggles in place at the instant of the detonation. One official report stated, "In the first case, acuity for central vision was 20/400 initially, but returned to 20/25 by six months. The second victim was less fortunate, as central vision did not improve beyond 20/60. The lesion diameters were 0.35 and 0.50 mm. respectively. Both individuals noted immediate visual disturbances, but neither was incapacitated."(9)

There had been concern that eyeburn problems might occur during the earlier Starfish Prime test, since the countdown was rebroadcast by radio stations in Hawaii, and many civilians would be watching the thermonuclear detonation as it occurred.(9) However, no such problems in Hawaii during the Starfish Prime event were reported.

Kingfish:

The Kingfish detonation occurred at 0210 (Johnston Island time) on 1 November 1962 and was the fourth successful detonation of the Fishbowl series. It was officially reported only as being a submegaton explosion (meaning in the range of more than 200 kilotons, but less than a megaton), but most independent observers believe that it used the same 400 kiloton warhead as the Bluegill Triple Prime test(22), although one report by the U.S. federal government reported the test yield as 200 kilotons.(5)

As with the other Fishbowl tests, a number of small rockets with various scientific instrumentation were launched from Johnson Island to monitor the effects of the high-altitude explosion. In the case of the Kingfish test, 29 rockets were launched from Johnston Island in addition to the Thor rocket carrying the nuclear warhead.(23)

According to the official report, at the time of the Kingfish detonation, "Johnston Island observers saw a yellow-white, luminous circle with intense purple streamers for the first minute. Some of the streamers displayed what appeared to be a rapid twisting motion at times. A large pale-green patch appeared somewhat south of the burst and grew, becoming the dominant visible feature after 5 minutes. By H+1 the green had become dull gray, but the feature persisted for 3 hours. At Oahu a bright flash was observed and after about 10 seconds a great white ball appeared to rise slowly out of the sea and was visible for about 9 minutes."(23) (The term "H+1" means one minute after the nuclear detonation.)

After most of the electromagnetic pulse measurements on Starfish Prime had failed because the EMP was so much larger than expected, extra care was taken to obtain accurate EMP measurements on the Bluegill Triple Prime and Kingfish tests. The EMP mechanism that had been hypothesized before Operation Fishbowl had been conclusively disproven by the Starfish Prime test. Prompt gamma ray output measurements on these later tests were also carefully obtained so that a new theory of the mechanism for high-altitude EMP could be developed and confirmed.

As of mid-2010, the EMP waveforms and prompt gamma radiation outputs for Bluegill Triple Prime and Kingfish remain classified. An unclassifed report, however, confirms that these measurements were successfully made and that a subsequent theory (which is the one now used) was developed which describes the mechanism by which the high-altitude EMP is generated. That new theory does give results which are consistent with both the Bluegill Triple Prime and Kingfish data.(24)(25) (The report actually using the Bluegill Triple Prime and Kingfish data to confirm the new EMP theory is the still-classified Part 2 of the unclassified report.)(24)

According to a Sandia National Laboratories report, EMP generated during the Operation Fishbowl tests caused "input circuit troubles in radio receivers during the Starfish and Checkmate bursts; the triggering of surge arresters on an airplane with a trailing-wire antenna during Starfish, Checkmate, and Bluegill; and the Oahu streetlight incident."(11) (The "Oahu streetlight incident" refers to the 300 streetlights in Honolulu extinguished by the Starfish Prime detonation. Those streetlights were extinguished due to fuses blown by the E1 component generated by the Starfish Prime EMP.)

Tightrope:

The final test of Operation Fishbowl was detonated on at 2130 (9:30 p.m. local Johnston Island time) on 3 November 1962. (The time and date was officially recorded as 0730 UTC, 4 November 1962.) It was launched on a Nike-Hercules missile, and detonated at a lower altitude than the other Fishbowl tests. Although it was officially one of the Operation Fishbowl tests, it is sometimes not listed among high-altitude nuclear tests because of its lower detonation altitude. The nuclear yield was reported in most official documents only as being less than 20 kilotons. One report by the U.S. federal government, however, reported the Tightrope test yield as 10 kilotons.(5)

"At Johnston Island, there was an intense white flash. Even with high-density goggles, the burst was too bright to view, even for a few seconds. A distinct thermal pulse was also felt on the bare skin. A yellow-orange disc was formed, which transformed itself into a purple doughnut. A glowing purple cloud was faintly visible for a few minutes."(23)

Seven rockets carrying scientific instrumentation were launched from Johnston Island in support of the Tightrope test.

References:(links, go to main link at top to see clickable links.)

1. Defense Nuclear Agency. Operation Dominic I. 1962. Report DNA 6040F. (First published as an unclassified document on 1 February 1983.) Page 227.

2. "Operation Dominic". Nuclear Weapon Archive.

3. Defense's Nuclear Agency 1947-1997. Page 139. Defense Threat Reduction Agency, 2002

4. Simon S.L. and Robison W.L., "A compilation of nuclear weapons test detonation data for U.S. Pacific ocean tests." Health Physics, 1997. July, Volume 73, issue 1, pages 258-264.

5. Allen, R.G., Jr., Project Officer. Report ADA995365. "Operation Dominic: Christmas and Fish Bowl Series. Project Officers Report. Project 4.1" 30 March 1965. Page 17.

6. Defense Atomic support Agency. Project Officer's Interim Report: STARFISH Prime. Report ADA955694. August 1962

7. Air Force Special Weapons Center. "Preliminary Plan for Operation Fishbowl." Report ADA469481, Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico. November 1961.

8. Glasstone, Samuel and Dolan, Philip J., The Effects of Nuclear Weapons. Chapter 2, sections 2.144 and 2.145. United States Department of Defense. 1977.

9. Hoerlin, Herman "United States High-Altitude Test Experiences: A Review Emphasizing the Impact on the Environment" Report LA-6405 Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory. October 1976

10. Defense Nuclear Agency. Operation Dominic I. 1962. Report DNA 6040F. (First published as an unclassified document on 1 February 1983.) Page 227.

11. Vittitoe, Charles N., "Did High-Altitude EMP Cause the Hawaiian Streetlight Incident?" Sandia National Laboratories. June 1989.

12. Dyal, P., Air Force Weapons Laboratory. "Operation Dominic. Fish Bowl Series. Debris Expansion Experiment." Report ADA995428 10 December 1965. Page 15.

13. United States Department of Defense. Report ADA955411. "A Quick Look at the Technical Results of Starfish Prime." August 1962.

14. United States Central Intelligence Agency. National Intelligence Estimate. Number 11-2A-63. "The Soviet Atomic Energy Program.". Page 44.

15. United States Department of Defense. Report ADA955411. "A Quick Look at the Technical Results of Starfish Prime." August 1962.

16. Defense Nuclear Agency. Wenaas, E.P., Jaycor Report RE-78-2044-057. DNA Report ADA191291. "Spacecraft Charging Effects on Satellites Following Starfish Event."

17. National Space Science Data Center: Telstar 1

18. Defense Nuclear Agency. Operation Dominic I. 1962. Report DNA 6040F. (First published as an unclassified document on 1 February 1983.) Page 229-241.

19. Defense Nuclear Agency. Operation Dominic I. 1962. Report DNA 6040F. (First published as an unclassified document on 1 February 1983.) Page 236.

20. Defense Nuclear Agency. Operation Dominic I. 1962. Report DNA 6040F. (First published as an unclassified document on 1 February 1983.) Page 241.

21. Defense Nuclear Agency. Operation Dominic I. 1962. Report DNA 6040F. (First published as an unclassified document on 1 February 1983.) Page 241.

22. Johnston's Archive. High Altitude Nuclear Explosions.

23. Defense Nuclear Agency. Operation Dominic I. 1962. Report DNA 6040F. (First published as an unclassified document on 1 February 1983.) Page 247.

24. Longmire, Conrad L., Theoretical Note 368. "Justification and Verification of High-Altitude EMP Theory, Part 1." Mission Research Corporation/Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. June 1986. Page 3.

25. Longmire, Conrad L., "Fifty Odd Years of EMP", NBC Report, Fall/Winter, 2004. pp. 47-51. U.S. Army Nuclear and Chemical Agency.

26. Berg, R.A., Holland, D.H., and Futtermah, W.I., Lockheed Research Laboratory. "A Starfish Happening". DASA-1926. ADA955681. March 1967.

27. General Electric Company - TEMPO. Report DNA-1251-2-EX. (ADA-079310). 1 May 1979. pp. 328-333.

28. Defense Threat Reduction Agency. Report DTRA-IR-10-22. (Also designated ADA531197). Conrad, Edward E., et al. Collateral Damage to Satellites from an EMP Attack. August 2010.


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OPERATION FISHBOWL DATA TO DETERMINE THE HEIGHT OF THE DOME

This is an article about Operation Fishbowl that I originally wrote in 2009 for Wikipedia.
Operation Fishbowl was a series of high altitude nuclear tests in 1962 that were carried out by the United States as a part of the larger Operation Dominic nuclear test program.

There are NO NUKES, this entire story is bullshit.
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The Flat Earth and its Advocates: A List of References

Blakeston, Oswell. England's latter-day flatearthists. (The story of a correspondence.) Life and letters, v. 62, July 1949: 9–24.
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Bramhall, William. Wilbur Glenn Voliva. In his The great American misfit; 26 bizarre personal histories. New York, C. N. Potter [1982] p. 71–73. port.
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Carpenter, William. One hundred proofs that the earth is not a globe. [6th ed.] Baltimore, 1885. 39 p.
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Cohen, Daniel. Is the earth flat or hollow? Science digest, v. 72, Nov. 1972: 62–66. col. illus.
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Collamore, R. G. S. His pronouncement: a layman's version, a layman's message. Philadelphia, Dorrance [1924] 157 p.
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Cook, Frederick H. The terrestrial plane; or, The true figure of the earth. [London, 1908] 64 p.
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Davenport, Walter. "They call me a flathead." Collier's, v. 79, May 14, 1927: 30–31. illus., ports.
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   "Wilbur Glenn Voliva, the boss of Zion City, knows the world is flat. He can prove it. He doesn't care what you think or what the newspapers say. He's still doing business at the old stand, and business couldn't be better."

DeFord, Charles S. A reparation: universal gravitation a universal fake. Fairfield, Wash., Ye Galleon Press [1992] 62 p. illus., port.
   QB283.D44 1992
   Reprint of the 3d ed. (New York, Fortean Society, 1931), with a new introduction by Robert J. Schadewald.
   "... an attempt to prove that the world is flat."

Edgell, William. Does the earth rotate? [London? 1927] 69 p. illus., port. NN

Flat city. In Odd and eccentric people. By the editors of Time-Life Books. Alexandria, Va., Time-Life Books [1992] (Library of curious and unusual facts) p. 13–l4. illus., port.
   CT9990.O33 1992
   About Wilbur Glenn Voliva.

Flat earth. New statesman and nation, new ser., v. 9, Jan. 12, 1935: 35–36.
   AP4.N64, s. 2, v. 9
   Signed Y. Y.
   On the views of Henry Edgell, "the most persistent modern advocate of the theory that the earth is flat," who had just died at the age of 73.

Gardner, Martin. Flat and hollow. In his Fads and fallacies in the name of science. [Rev. and expanded ed.] New York, Dover Publications [1957] p. 16–27.
   Q173.G35 1957
   The part of this chapter dealing with flat-earth proponents is about Voliva and the Christian Apostolic Church in Zion, Ill.

Gates, David, and Jennifer Smith. Keeping the flat-earth faith. Newsweek, v. 104, July 2, 1984: 12. port.
   AP2.N6772, v. 104
   On Charles K. Johnson and the International Flat Earth Research Society.

Gleason, Alex. Is the Bible from heaven? Is the earth a globe? 2d ed., rev. and enl. Buffalo, N.Y., Buffalo Electrotype and Engraving Co. [1893] xix, 402 p. illus., map, col. plates, ports.
   QB638.G56

Goudey, Henry J. Earth not a globe: scientifically, geometrically, philosophically demonstrated. Over 75 arguments and 30 diagrams. Boston, Mass., 1930. 145 p. illus., fold. map.
   QB52.G7

Gould, Stephen J. The persistently flat earth. Natural history, v. 103, Mar. 1994: 12, 14–19.
   QH1.N13, v. 103
   Investigates the relatively recent origin of the notion that scholars of the Middle Ages, with few exceptions, believed the earth was flat.

Hampden, John. The new manual of biblical cosmography; or, Outline of the general system of the universe. London, Beaumont [1877] 15 p. fold. illus.
   QB638.H22

The Infidel globe; or, Scientific witchcraft, the emblem of paganism and the refuge of the atheist. [London?] 1884. [4] p.
   YA 22866 Rare Bk. Coll.

Johnson, Gilbert. The book of light, a brief description of the earth, with a map showing its shape. The earth being flat instead of round, the sun is not stationary but moves. Greer, Mo., 1923. 48 p. fold. map.
   QB638.J6 1923
   First published in 1890 (7 p. QB638.J67).

Jones, Charles W. The flat earth. Thought, v. 9, Sept. 1934: 296–307.
   AP2.T333, v. 9
   Finds that educated persons in the Middle Ages knew that the
earth is round.
Labbie, Edith. The world is flat. In Those eccentric Yankees. Edited by John Lovell. Introd. by Robert Taylor. Camden, Me., Yankee Books [1991] p. 10–13.
   CT9990.T58 1991
   About Joseph W. Holden (1816–1900) of Otisfield, Me.

Lindsay, Thomas. Astronomical myths—the flat earth. Popular astronomy, v. 6, Sept. 1898: 405–408.
   QB1.P8, v. 6

London. Zetetic Society. Chart and compass, sextant and sundial, latitudes and longitudes, plumbline and pendulum, globe or plane? A letter of remonstrance, respectfully addressed to the officers of the Naval and Mercantile Marine of England and America. [London, 1887] 8 p.
   Held by the British Library under shelfmark c. 19. (9.).

Macht, David I. Science and the Bible. Science, v. 114, Nov. 9, 1951: 505.
   Q1.S35, v. 114
   Letter commenting on Ray's observations on the shape of the earth as implied by Revelation 7:1.

McCready, William D. Isidore, the Antipodeans, and the shape of the earth. Isis, v. 87, Mar. 1996: 108–127. illus.
   Bibliographic footnotes.
   "That the sphericity of the earth was clearly established in the ancient world is beyond dispute. Apparently unknown to the Babylonians or Egyptians, it was a discovery of Greek astronomy and was generally accepted among natural philosophers by the time of Aristotle. It was the received view of educated Romans as well, including Pliny the Elder. Among Christian thinkers, however, its fortunes are not quite so clear. It was not without significance that the ancient Hebrews, whose views were reflected in Scripture, conceived the earth as a flat disk covered over by the dome of the heavens ... [Isidore's] grasp on the spherical nature of the earth was tenuous at best ..."

Michell, John. Loyalists of the flat earth. In his Eccentric lives and peculiar notions. San Diego, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich [1984] p. 21–32. illus., plates, ports.
   CT9990.M5 1984
   References (19): p. 234.
   The plates follow p. 32; no. [2]–[5] relate to the flat-earth supporters.

Moore, Patrick. Better and flatter earths. In his Can you speak Venusian? A guide to the independent thinkers. [Newton Abbot, David & Charles, 1972] p. 16–29. illus.
   QB52.M66 1972

Morse, Charles W. Unpopular truth against popular error in reference to the shape of the earth. Boston, C. J. F. Fletcher, Printer, 1913. 78 p. illus., port.
   QB281.M8

Proctor, Richard A. A challenge from the earth-flattening society. Knowledge, v. 4, Nov. 30, 1883: 336.
   Q1.K7, v. 4

Proctor, Richard A. The earth-flattener's challenge. Knowledge, v. 4, Dec. 14, 1883: 362.
   Q1.K7, v. 4

Proofs (so-called) of the world's rotundity, examined in the light of facts and common sense, by "Search Truth." [London, Zetetic Society, 1882?] 2 p. illus.
   YA 22774 Rare Bk. Coll.
   "... the world is as God made it, a circular and motionless plane, with the Sun, Moon, and Stars revolving at very moderate distances above it ..."

Quinlan, John E. The earth a plane. London [1906]
   Held by the British Library under shelfmark 8563. b.

Randi, James. Flat Earth Society. In his An encyclopedia of claims, frauds, and hoaxes of the occult and supernatural. James Randi's decidedly skeptical definitions of alternate realities. New York, St. Martin's Press [1995] p. 97–98.
   BF1407.R36 1995

Ray, Cyrus N. The rectangular earth. Science, v. 113, May 25, 1951: 610.
   Q1.S35, v. 113
   Letter calling attention to Revelation 7:1 which suggests that the earth's shape is that of a flat rectangle.

Really, is it flat? Moody Bible Institute monthly, v. 30, Sept. 1929: 6.
   BR1.M6, v. 30

[Rowbotham, Samuel B.] Zetetic astronomy. A description of several experiments which prove that the surface of the sea is a perfect plane, and that the earth is not a globe. Being the substance of a paper read before the Royal Astronomical Society on the evening of Dec. 8, 1848. By ‘Parallax' [pseud.] Birmingham, W. Cornish, 1849. 16 p. illus.
   QB638.R87

[Rowbotham, Samuel B.] Zetetic astronomy. Earth not a globe. An experimental inquiry into the true figure of the earth, proving it a plane, without orbital or axial motion, and the only known material world; its true position in the universe, comparatively recent formation, present chemical condition, and approaching destruction by fire, &c., &c. By "Parallax" [pseud.] The illus. by George Davey. 3d ed., rev. and enl. London, Day, 1881. 430 p. illus. CaBViP; CtY; ICJ

Russell, Jeffrey B. The flat error: the modern distortion of medieval geography. In Mediaevalia, a journal of medieval studies. v. 15; 1989. Binghamton, Center for Medieval and Early Renaissance Studies of the State University of New York, 1993. p. [337]–353.
   CB351.M38, v. 15
   "I first review the evidence that educated medieval people knew the shape of the planet, go on to show how and why the ‘Flat Error' developed, and end with some suggestions about the precarious nature of historical knowledge."

Schadewald, Robert J. The flat-out truth; earth orbits? Moon landings? A fraud! says this prophet. Science digest, v. 88, July 1980: 58–63. port.
   About Charles K. Johnson, president of the International Flat Earth Research Society.

Schadewald, Robert J. He knew earth is round, but his proof fell flat. Illus. by W. B. Park. Smithsonian, v. 9, Apr. 1978: 101–102, 104, 106–108, 110, 112–113. illus. (part col.)
   AS30.S6, v. 9
   "A renowned English naturalist [Alfred Russel Wallace] seeking to convince a nonbeliever, won argument, lost the money."

Scott, David W. Terra firma: the earth not a planet, proved from scripture, reason, and fact. London, Simpkin, Marshall, Hamilton, Kent, 1901. xvi, 288 p. illus., fold. map.
   CtY; MdBJ

Serland, F. S. Did the older ecclesiastical writers deny the sphericity of the earth? American Catholic quarterly review, v. 43, Apr. 1918: 340–343.
   AP2.A332, v. 43
   Points out "that Venerable Bede in the first half of the eighth century knew and taught the sphericity of the earth" and that this knowledge was not dependent on Islamic learning.

Shippey, Chester M. Answers to the common "proofs" that the earth is a globe. Leaves of healing, v. 66, May 10, 1930: 138–142, 184.
   BX7401.L3, v. 66

Shippey, Chester M. The true shape of the earth. Leaves of healing, v. 66, May 10, 1930: 158–160, 162–166, 168–173, 175.
   BX7401.L3, v. 66

Sifakis, Carl. Voliva, Wilbur Glenn (1870–1942): king of the flat earthers. In his American eccentrics. New York, Facts on File Publications [1984] p. 226–229. port.
   CT9990.S53 1984

Sisk, John P. The view from the edge; on the necessity of the flat earth. Harper's, v. 258, Mar. 1979: 127–129.
   AP2.H3, v. 258
   On the International Flat Earth Research Society.

Smith, Carl Albert. Is the earth a whirling globe? 2d ed., rev. and enl. Northampton [1918] 112 p.
   Held by the British Library under shelfmark 8562. aaa. 35.

Wallace, Alfred Russel. [Hampden and the flat earth] In his My life, a record of events and opinions. v. 2. New York, Dodd, Mead, 1905. p. 381–393. illus.
   QH31.W2A, v. 2

Wallace, Irving. In defense of the square peg. In his The square pegs; some Americans who dared to be different. New York, A. A. Knopf, 1957. p. 3–24.
   CT9990.W3
   Discusses Wilbur Glenn Voliva on p. 3–8.

Where are they now? The flat earthers. Newsweek, v. 73, Jan. 13, 1969: 8. port.
   AP2.N6772, v. 73
   About the International Flat Earth Research Society, then based in Dover, England. The portrait is of Samuel Shenton, the society's general secretary.

White, Andrew D. The form of the earth. In his A history of the warfare of science with theology in Christendom. v. 1. New York, D. Appleton, 1896. p. 89–98.
   BL245.W5, v. 1

White, Arthur V. The shape of the earth; some proofs for the spherical shape of the earth given in astronomical and geographical text-books examined, and shown to be unsound. [Toronto?] University of Toronto Alumni Association, 1909. [12] p. illus.
   QB283.W5
   Reprinted from the University Monthly, Mar. 1909.

[Winship, Thomas] Zetetic cosmogony; or, Conclusive evidence that the world is not a rotating-revolving-globe, but a stationary plane circle. By Rectangle [pseud.] 2d ed., enl. Durban, Natal, T. L. Cullingworth, 1899. 192 p.
   QB638.W77
   First published in 1897 (46 p. QB638.W769).

Wise, Carl S. The Bible and the earth's shape. Science, v. 113, Feb. 2, 1951: 128.
   Q1.S35, v. 113
   Declares that "the Bible itself nowhere states that the earth is flat."

Woofson, H. Ossipoff. The flat earth and her moulder. Knowledge, v. 5, Mar. 28–Apr. 4, 1884: 213, 233.
   Q1.K7, v. 5
   The former secretary of the Zetetic Society "promises to show the nature of the deceptions practised by some at least among the advocates of the flat-earth theory."

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Post by thugnastylol Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:11 am

Check out some topics in this book. Super recently put out from what I can tell. https://books.google.com/books?id=WfqjDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Post by inerratic Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:51 pm

Just reading about the coming, 2017/2018, "Volvo around the world Sailing Race". The published length of the legs are here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Volvo_Ocean_Race   The total globe miles, are 35,750 miles. Since the longest part of Leg 5, from Auckland, NZ. to Itajai, Brazil is 7,500 nautical miles, and on the 55deg latitude, I tried to measure the distance on Gleason's FE map. Roughly, Leg 5 measures 12,165 miles, which converts to 10,570 nautical miles. That's over 3,000 nmiles longer on the flat earth. It seems like the actual time traveled on leg 5, and maybe the average speed might show the relevant distance to be closer to the FE model. Is there someone more experienced with this sort of thing that can look into it, more accurately?
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Post by RickFE Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:44 pm

I stumbled upon a video last year on youtube. Flat Earth a mountain of evidence. A man named Jon Mcintyre did a really detailed video using mountain ranges. I cannot post the link since I do not have permission to yet. But if you search the title it should come up. I would like maybe a few people to watch it and let me know what their thoughts are. He puts a lot of detail in his video and references tons of maps and elevations. He isn't a flat earther per say. Just a reg guy who set out to see if he could prove it round or flat. There a lot of people on youtube who are making videos, but are not showing up in general searches. Flat earth is reaching open minded people who take a skeptical approach and even do tests. With all the shills/ghost accounts etc now flooding the topic, we should be making these videos more visible. I didn't know if this was the right area to post this topic. But I think it's something that needs to be looked into. If we don't prop up these regular people doing these experiments, they will never be seen by others. I always believed that people get their courage from others. If more people see these type of videos, instead of the Hollywood backed shills, I think it would help stimulate people who just need to see that others are doing it.
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Post by FL@T-E@RTH Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:48 pm

Seeing as you never posted it Smile


EDIT
Just realised I watched this before last year sometime, it's a very good video


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Post by FL@T-E@RTH Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Hmm, after checking that YT users channel he produced a video a year later which seems to 'prove' the Globe Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W6h1oUVGPI

That is rather suspicious, he releases a video that appears to support the FE model in Sep 2016, and in Aug 2017 he releases a video that seems to support the Globe model.
I would say stay away from people who juxtapose so openly. The funniest thing is in that Aug 2017 video he 'claims' the camera is 240ft above sea-level, yet the sea-level in the video is less than 30% of the frame of the video, that's not possible if the camera is 240ft above sea-level and pointed on a flat-plane and level. It must be pointed at least at a 5% negative declination. Anyone who understands divergence will tell you even a 1% divergent declination will seriously skew the results, even over such a short distance as 30 miles.

I call bullshit and disinfo on this YT user!


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Found this on the first page of Lord Baden-Powell’s Scouting for Boys manual. (1908)

Was shocked to find how powerful the symbology is which connotates to ideas such as Old Meru in the North and crucifixion.

(Brownsea is an island of the south coast of England)

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Post by Superleeds Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:39 am

i have a PDF from an Islamic scholar from India in the 19th century giving proofs based on reasoning and science why the Earth is not in motion. he falls short of saying if it's flat or not but does state the Moon is within the Earths ceiling. The English isn't the best but defo worth a read. Imam Ahmad Reza Brailvi is the Authors name.i can't seem to upload it here.link is
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.barkati.net/book/english/Complete_AFairSuccess.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiDl_Gng_HeAhUIVhoKHXBVAFwQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1A9TdepnACKnh3HFB9Bf0k
if that isn't working then please contact me for a copy - amar_sattar@hotmail.com

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Post by SoldierMan Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:50 pm

Here is a video with some pretty definitive proof of a flat earth. Some of the team went in expecting a curve but found none Smile
There were seven teams in total performing tests with large telescopes, lasers, antennae, GPS and surveying equipment.

Their experiments are solid but some of the conclusions they reach on additional points thereafter aren't entirely correct IMO, but the experiments prove no curve.

Here's the video.



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Post by MMDC Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:38 pm

SoldierMan wrote:Here is a video with some pretty definitive proof of a flat earth. Some of the team went in expecting a curve but found none Smile
There were seven teams in total performing tests with large telescopes, lasers, antennae, GPS and surveying equipment.

Their experiments are solid but some of the conclusions they reach on additional points thereafter aren't entirely correct IMO, but the experiments prove no curve.

Here's the video.



there is a thread here on the forum called "the convex earth crapumentary"
Not worth your time. pretty sad you'd need this documentary as "definitive proof of a flat earth" though.

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Post by SoldierMan Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:14 am

MMDC wrote:
SoldierMan wrote:Here is a video with some pretty definitive proof of a flat earth. Some of the team went in expecting a curve but found none Smile
There were seven teams in total performing tests with large telescopes, lasers, antennae, GPS and surveying equipment.

Their experiments are solid but some of the conclusions they reach on additional points thereafter aren't entirely correct IMO, but the experiments prove no curve.

Here's the video.



there is a thread here on the forum called "the convex earth crapumentary"
Not worth your time. pretty sad you'd need this documentary as "definitive proof of a flat earth" though.

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Did you watch it?

Like I said in my post, the experiments they do in the beginning prove no curve, THAT is definitive proof of no curvature. There's no arguing with that.

In addition, I also said they reach some additional conclusions which I don't agree with.

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Post by MMDC Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:07 am

SoldierMan wrote:
MMDC wrote:
SoldierMan wrote:Here is a video with some pretty definitive proof of a flat earth. Some of the team went in expecting a curve but found none Smile
There were seven teams in total performing tests with large telescopes, lasers, antennae, GPS and surveying equipment.

Their experiments are solid but some of the conclusions they reach on additional points thereafter aren't entirely correct IMO, but the experiments prove no curve.

Here's the video.



there is a thread here on the forum called "the convex earth crapumentary"
Not worth your time. pretty sad you'd need this documentary as "definitive proof of a flat earth" though.

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Did you watch it?

Like I said in my post, the experiments they do in the beginning prove no curve, THAT is definitive proof of no curvature. There's no arguing with that.

In addition, I also said they reach some additional conclusions which I don't agree with.

You do not need a crapumentary with people in white coats giving you "definitive proofsies".
The objective reality of water shows you all you need to know to discern that.

Peace.
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Post by SoldierMan Tue May 14, 2019 8:35 pm

Not sure any of you have seen this video before but it's about 2 former NASA employees that now believe in a flat earth. The concealment of flat earth is strong on Youtube, I typed in the exact name of the video and it only came up on about the 10th entry.



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Post by markwilson Wed May 15, 2019 7:28 pm

I've only listened to a couple of his songs, but the artist is releasing a full album of material under the title, The Greatest Ever Deception, so I thought I'd share it here as one to be investigated further for those interested (he loses me a little bit with the Focault verse).



LYRICS

“Wake up, you’re only dreaming” Music/lyrics composed/written by David J Caron©2018. All rights reserved.

Ashes to ashes and dust to dust Fie, Fi,, Fo.. Fum.. You’re only dreaming.. 3 sixes hundred miles an hour? You must be dreaming..

It is an observable testable repeatable scientific fact of reality, that Polaris the north pole star is situated perfectly over the North pole center of the earth never moves a single inch night after night year after year century after millennia with all other fixed stars forever remaining in their relative constellations.. revolving perfect circles around Polaris..

Look up! Can’t you see it Oh! Svegliati [WAKE UP]! Shake up.. Or Are you sleeping Hey..Wake up, wake up.. cos you must be dreaming.. Oh.. You’ re only dreaming..

3 sixes thousand miles an hour! You must be dreaming..Wake up Fie, Fi,, Fo, Fum.. I know you’re dreaming

It is also an unobservable unscientific theory to claim the earth is spinning a thousand miles an hour and the Milky Way shoots millions of miles per hour off through infinite space when we cannot test, see, feel, notice or otherwise observe or prove any such motion. We can clearly see for ourselves Polaris never moves and all the other stars revolve, around it.. Impossible.. on a flying globe.. The earth is still..

What?.. Can’t you feel it.. spinning n shaking all around you.. Watch out.. Get up! Did you fall over busy sleeping? Did that tsunami not disturb you?

3 sixes million miles an hour! No!..You must be dreaming.. Wake up.. Fie fi fo fum.. You’re only dreaming Oh.. Don’t just believe it ...

D’you think the ground is flying, up down sideways defying your senses, verifying reality-denying.. Upside down people spinning, with magic forces pinning, evolved from no beginning, whilst your deceivers grinning.. Ho ho ho ho, ho ho ho ho, ho.. You must be dreaming You’re only dreaming Where is the edge?..

There doesn't have to be an edge, to a proven level motionless plane, a realm, that could possibly be infinite since "outer-space" only exists in cartoon fairy tales nor edge required for all could be enclosed.. possibly by electromagnetism torus fields or something else we cannot possibly comprehend, or even ever know.. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust..

But there MUST and has to be a curve to make a Foucault ball.. ! We all can understand geometric principles of balls, so where the FOUCAULT is it, ‘cos there is Foucault sign of it & Foucault anyone can do to Foucault measure or create it..

Wake up! Excuse me.. Were you sleeping Oh.. Just Look up! Or do you just refuse to see it.. it’s spinning all above you!!!

3 sixes billion miles an hour! Ha ha.. you’re Foucault dreaming ... tell you what...(Don’t just believe it..)

Go prove the ground is flying, down up sideways defying your senses, verifying reality-denying.. Upside down oceans spinning, with proofless theories pinning, deception from beginning, serpent high-priests keep grinning.. ho ho ho ho ho.. they want you dreaming..

Fee fi fo Dum.. Blind faith believing.. Svegliati [WAKE UP]! Don’t just believe it Wake up.. wake up.. You’re only dreaming.. Just disbelieve it.. Wake up.. wake up.. (They love deceiving..) You’re only dreaming.. (Blind faith believing) Wake up.. wake up.. Fie fi fo fum I know you’re dreaming…

Here is another example of his work:

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Post by mrg Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:51 pm

Hi. Haven’t found this man in the search box. He is proposing to disprove the globe with the moon and time, a moon clock, if you will.

How to tell time by the moon:

Tons of stuff to find there: http://kennedywalker.site

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Post by markwilson Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:04 pm

mrg wrote:Hi. Haven’t found this man in the search box. He is proposing to disprove the globe with the moon and time, a moon clock, if you will.

How to tell time by the moon:

He proceeds along the premise that the moon is a reflector of the sun's light and that the illumination of the moon (top or bottom) is premised on the sun's position (higher or lower) relative to the moon's.

At 00:59 he asks, "how is the top of a sphere [the moon] being lit up from the bottom," i.e. if the sun is lower than the moon, then how is the top of the moon reflecting a sun's light that is lower than itself?

And at 01:18 he goes on to make the statement that "if it [the sun] was down, the bottom [of the moon] would be mostly lit up."

The two lights are independent of one another.

See 200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball.

134) Furthermore the Moon itself cannot physically be both a spherical body and a reflector of the Sun’s light. Reflectors must be flat or concave for light rays to have any angle of incidence; If a reflector’s surface is convex then every ray of light points in a direct line with the radius perpendicular to the surface resulting in no reflection.

135) Not only is the Moon clearly self-luminescent, shining its own unique light, but it is also largely transparent. When the waxing or waning Moon is visible during the day it is possible to see the blue sky right through the Moon. And on a clear night, during a waxing or waning cycle, it is even possible to occasionally see stars and “planets” directly through the surface of the Moon! The Royal Astronomical Society has on record many such occurrences throughout history which all defy the heliocentric model.
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Post by markwilson Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:43 pm

I had a fruitful exchange with the fellow:

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Post by mrg Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:28 pm

I had the same experience. As I asked the man to explain lunar eclipse in his model, he just gave me names.
Strangely he feels an urge to attack immediately when people just want to talk things.
I found his premise interesting, though. I will look into it again when I have more detailed knowledge about the moon/sun relation.

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Post by aarya Mon May 17, 2021 7:51 am

an excellent book about masonic numbers and corona virus:
https://archive.org/details/number-games/mode/2up

33rd degree mason jim shaw confesses:
https://archive.org/details/the-deadly-deception-freemasonry-exposed-by-one-of-its-top-leaders-1988-james-shaw/mode/2up

colonositaion of aryans: ( the genesis of human race )
https://archive.org/details/ChronologyOfAncientHinduHistoryPart1/Manavasrishti%20Vijnanam/mode/2up

sanskrit share in the world: ( history of histories )
https://archive.org/details/worldvedicheritageahistoryofhistories-byp.n.oak/page/n575/mode/2up

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Post by nowhereelsetogo Mon May 17, 2021 11:07 pm

That third one will be hard work, but thanks.

Personally reading (bout 3/4 way through) Antichrist conspiracy.
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