How To Debate With Heliocentric Globetrotters?

Dactylion wrote:
when engaging in FE discussion with others
my role isn't to convince
but to converse

The responsibility falls on them to accept or reject simple reasoning and observation
there is a degree of intellectual dishonesty on their part

the laws of perspective are simple enough for a child to understand

iwanttobefree wrote:
and to eric, dont underestimate neil or whoever you might debate in the Future, even tho im sure you will crush em, its never wise to underestimate an opponent, they gain more tricks and confusion tactics every day.

mitch wrote:

iwanttobefree wrote:
and to eric, dont underestimate neil or whoever you might debate in the Future, even tho im sure you will crush em, its never wise to underestimate an opponent, they gain more tricks and confusion tactics every day.

I fail to see what degrassyass oblate spheroid tyson can bring to the table in the event of a proper FE debate which will never be permitted to happen. The bloke is an actor and a buffoon playing to the lowest common denominator. What on earth do you think he could possibly debunk FE with?

iwanttobefree wrote:
information from higher places
they do work hard to poke holes in reallity
the aces will come out
they probly have some confusing crap that he hasnt heard yet.

mitch wrote:A formal FE debate will never be permitted to happen, that's a given. You are speculating there is some exotic, mysterious argument against FE Truth when there isn't; which i'm sure most here would agree is pretty shilly and potentially discouraging to forum newbies. If you consider the content on this forum and have understood every aspect of all the literature and research (ancient & contemporary) you will know there is no argument against evidentary FE truth

Our longing to transcend death inflames violence toward each other. While our cultural scheme of things keeps a lid on our mortal dread, others cling to very different sets of beliefs to manage theirs. Acknowledging their “truths” inevitably calls ours into question. We have to believe in our own truths to sustain the precarious view that life is meaningful and that we are significant, enduring beings. “One culture is always a potential menace to another,” Becker observed, “because it is a living example that life can go on heroically within a value framework totally alien to one’s own.” If the Aborigines’ belief that magical ancestors metamorphosed into humans after becoming lizards is credible, then the idea that God created the world in six days, and Adam in his image, must be suspect.

And the threat posed by different belief systems runs much deeper than mutually exclusive creation stories. Our entire way of life, everything we believe in and everything we strive for, can be challenged by alternative worldviews.

It is deeply disturbing to have one’s fundamental beliefs called into question. Take our meanings and purposes away, characterize them as juvenile, useless, or evil, and all we have left are the vulnerable physical creatures that we are. Because cultural conceptions of reality keep a lid on mortal dread, acknowledging the legitimacy of beliefs contrary to our own unleashes the very terror those beliefs serve to quell. So we must parry the threat by derogating and dehumanizing those with alternative views of life, by forcing them to adopt our beliefs and co-opting aspects of their cultures into our own, or by obliterating them entirely.

Moreover, people’s sense of meaning and significance cannot completely alleviate mortal terror. Symbols are extremely powerful. Indeed, they are the underlying basis of human imagination, creativity, and the uniquely human capacity to transform reality in accordance with our desires. But no symbol is sufficiently commanding to completely overcome the terror of death. There is always residual death anxiety, a “rumble of panic” that is projected onto other groups of people designated as all-encompassing repositories of evil. And when those in one group bolster their psychological security by imposing their will and venting their animosity on another, this frequently produces a backlash by the “others,” resulting in a vicious cycle of bitter acrimony.

So, Yalom notes, once individuals relinquish their intellectualized galactic view of existence, there are virtually always aspects of life that do matter to them. The therapist’s goal is thus to help clients find those meanings and orient them toward engaging in activities that serve to bolster and affirm them. Such meanings would then serve as a durable foundation for obtaining and maintaining self-esteem. Infused with a new or renewed sense of meaning and value, individuals can better distinguish between who they are and who other people expect them to be, and clarify what they want for themselves. They can then act on their desires, “willing” in existential parlance, making more mature and courageous choices about their current and future concerns (as well as coming to terms with maladaptive choices in the past) and taking greater responsibility for their decisions.