Flat Earth Shill Wall of Shame

It's typical school-yard bully reverse-psychology. I have thoroughly exposed these FE shills so they just point the finger at me and say, "I know you are but what am I?"

So you have me saying I'm legit and exposing hundreds of shills OR hundreds of shills all saying that they're legit and I'm the shill. Most newbs will assume (as they claim) that I'm the shill because it seems more likely that the one dude pointing at hundreds is wrong than the hundreds all pointing at the one dude.

Some flat earthers will claim we haven't gone far enough in flat earth research and they'll come up with all these bizarre unproven theories on how our cosmology works.
Like the electromagnetic gravity, faraday effect toroidal field holographic projection concept, special bendy light, alternating fields, etc.
With Dubay, being a major part of the rise of this movement today, people will go after them claiming he is a shill and impedes research. They may not even be specific, and just claim that the flat earth as presented by Rowbotham and the IFERS is controlled disinfo or whatever.

The Guardian has released the following article summing up the terrible UK FE Conference quite accurately:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2018/may/02/the-universe-is-an-egg-and-the-moon-isnt-real-notes-from-a-flat-earth-conference



The whole point of these Shill Fests is to make flat Earth look stupid, and to give a platform so people like Darren Nesbit can say Earth is a square with 4 corners and Sun/Moon pac-man portals that warps them from West back to East, and people like Martin Kenny can say there are 3 Suns, 3 Moons, 3 ice-walls and 33 extra continents beyond the Antarctic which no one has ever seen. These speculative models being presented alongside actual flat Earth proofs about level water poisons the well and makes the whole subject sound sophomoric to newbies and turn them off.

MSM TV (UK) 2nd May

"FECORE" claiming "gravity exists as an effect, not a cause" and validating the fake claim that says you would have to be 50 miles high to see curvature

mitch wrote:"FECORE" claiming "gravity exists as an effect, not a cause" and validating the fake claim that says you would have to be 50 miles high to see curvature

It was only a matter of time. Remember, FE=Field Engineer, not Flat Earth. They are not on our side.

Yeah, I saw this also. Have any of you watched Nesbit's new presentation and his proposed model? I discussed this in another thread. It's turned into a complete circus. They're intentionally making us look ridiculous and doing a great job. How did these guys manage to get on live TV? Totally staged. I used to think Nesbit was genuine but this is a real expose. Everyone in Britain watches this morning TV show. Thanks for weeding out these clowns we need to identify as many of them as possible.

That's their remit, namely colluding with the MSM to make genuine FE researchers look ridiculous. As we know, MSM will never interview someone like Eric

They're really upping their game. Over the years, I thought I became pretty good at spotting a shill but I'm still getting duped on occasion. Why are they giving this subject so much attention at this particular moment in time? It's popping up in more MSM outlets than ever before. Have they conceded to the fact that it will eventually become public knowledge and are trying to preemptively corral as many people as they can in anticipation of this? "You saw it here first, so trust us" kind of thing so when they hold their hands up and admit liability, the masses won't ask further questions outside of authority. Or are they simply continuing to make it seem silly? Nesbit really came across as genuine in the beginning, at least to me. A British Santos Bonacci, if you will. He ain't no Mark Sargent in that he seemed to already have credibility among the conspiracy circles. These guys have already been planted years in advance with a trust building agenda. They have every angle covered and none of us are immune to being deceived even at this stage in the game. I'm sure there are even guys who are exposing the likes of these, who are shills also and are trying to corner that particular niche. There's a shill, or many, for every sub category so they must have some kind of shill academy set up somewhere.

Recent prevalence of MSM coverage
1) Damage control. I don't think they anticipated how quickly this caught fire and so widespread.
2) Invite only controlled opposition shills to interview to stage manage it in a way so that the masses will accept their ridiculous script, investigate no further and ridicule people that ask them about it

Another article on the Flat Earth UK Convention like the one from The Guardian Eric posted on the previous page of this thread.

A friend of mine who I've been speaking to about Flat Earth sent it to me from livescience.com, dated 5/2/18.

"Flat-Earthers Explain Why We Don't Fall Off the Edge of Our Planet, and It Involves Pac-Man"

https://www.livescience.com/62454-flat-earthers-explain-pac-man-effect.html

The article was frustrating to read, especially the hyperlinks to other articles full of lies trying to prove the earth is a ball.

The article starts off with "The Earth's glorious globular-ness was proved more than 2,000 years ago by the ancient Greeks...".

Most people read that, think it sounds legit, and move on.
They don't look into the the absurdity that somehow Eratosthenes looking down a well at the sun light, or noticing that sticks placed in the ground in different areas cast shadows at different angles proves the earth is curved; when this obviously would also happen on a flat surface with a localized sun not 93 million miles away. - Plus he apparently was also able to calculate the earth's circumference.

See the Jewish theoretical physicist and cosmologist Lawrence Krauss try to explain it:



Listen up Krauss, the rays of the sun don't come down in the same direction to the earth everywhere.




This article was the first I've heard of the Pac-Man Effect.
And it bummed me out to see it's coming from Darren Nesbit, because I like the presentations he's done in the past.  

No surprise the Flat Earth Convention UK has received media coverage like the Flat Earth International Conference did in North Carolina back in November '17.

Anyone have an opinion on Dave Murphy?  
It's not looking good that he's sincere if he's part of this UK Convention group.

It's sad that a friend of mine who's new to looking into Flat Earth comes across an article like this and gets confused.

Darren Nesbit is one of the despicable shills in FE Core and seen in the ITV clip I posted a few posts ago. If you look at his early presentations he's giving out a load of disinfo about shape of earth

tristancobane wrote:Yeah, I saw this also. Have any of you watched Nesbit's new presentation and his proposed model? I discussed this in another thread. It's turned into a complete circus. They're intentionally making us look ridiculous and doing a great job. How did these guys manage to get on live TV? Totally staged. I used to think Nesbit was genuine but this is a real expose. Everyone in Britain watches this morning TV show. Thanks for weeding out these clowns we need to identify as many of them as possible.

Nesbit is indeed a shill, like most of these 'truthers' who appear on TV, Sargent, Steere, Nesbit etc.
They are there to play a role or push an agenda, Sargent specifically is there to push the 'video game' agenda which uses 'gravity', to reinforce the 'gravity' hypothesis.
Anyone who appears on UK TV is clearly a shill, Why the hell would the media allow anyone on to speak truth?,
David Icke even appeared on that show and he is the biggest UK shill, like the US shill Alex Jones.

'EDIT'
If you want to discover who are the real shills, it's easy.
Sign-out of any Gmail/Google+ account, sign-out of any YT account, delete your cache and also your temp folders and reboot, then search YT for Flat Earth, I can guarantee you will presented with Mark Sargent, FEA, Patricia Steere, Nesbit and many other 'shills' and Eric Dubay will not even feature in your search results!

FL@T-E@RTH wrote: ...I can guarantee you will presented with Mark Sargent, FEA, Patricia Steere, Nesbit and many other 'shills' and Eric Dubay will not even feature in your search results!

Deceit built into the algorithms they so lovingly craft to Steere the herd. I'd like to be a fly on the wall next time YouTube/Google's algorithm files are opened for further 'enhancement.' I bet they are a convoluted massive mess of zeros and ones, programmed by tiny minds who take it upon themselves to interfere with the thing (that 'thing' being Truth) the people are endeavoring to find.

Absolutely, YouTube/Google is incorporated Titans of Shilldom. I can still remember when pertinent words would actually be the first things that showed up in a list. For example, it used to be when you searched for "hoax sandy hook," or "hoax [insert whatever today's hoax is, here], or "false flag 9/11," or "false flag [insert whatever today's false flag is, here], you would actually get a list relevant to those terms.

Not anymore.

I'm on the fence about Eddie Bravo. I like that he seems to be getting passionate about the FE movement. He had a solid interview with Eric. He has done some other good podcasts on FE. I even recently suggested in another post that people go check out one of his recent FE podcasts which I thought was awesome. With all that said I recently watched Eddie's interview with Dell and Gavin (who I really like) from YouTube channel "Beyond the Imaginary Curve" and he basically just ignored them and talked about irrelevant crap the whole time. Not to mention his shill sidekick TJ who I can't stand. Also, Eddie recommended ODD a few times....weird since we all know ODD for whatever reason seems to be more aligned with the Shills these days. Also, Eddie and Joe Rogan who we know is a Shill do this good cop bad cop thing on the FE movement. Eddie was also defending Alex Jones when he interviewed Eric. Something stinks.

Okay, the kicker...why is Eddie Bravo doing the typical Illuminati/FreeMason (yes ultimately Jew controlled) Satanic hand signal with the index finger and pinky making little Lucifer horns with his mouth wide open, tongue out, and right in front of a big Pyramid on his YouTube channel picture?? Is Eddie making fun of these sick people with all this or is he mocking us right in front of our faces? Personally I don't think it's funny if that's what he is trying to get across.

So what about Dave Murphy then as AJRas mentioned? His son is also on the scene now with his own YT channel, "Red Flag Media". I remember Dave’s video “Flat Earth: The Biggest Lie of All” where he defended Mark Sargent being a shill and doesn’t seem to think the existence of such shills is even a possibility having also been on Steere’s show. So they lie about our existence but wouldn't attempt to plant agents in the community? Where's the logic in that mentality? Seems very naive and strange for someone as intelligent as Dave. I don’t like to jump to conclusions as Dave did good work, but it’s good to know who can be trusted.

Spot on. I think it's safe to say anyone who gets on TV is part of the opposition.
I notice a lot of these shills coming on my feed daily even though I'm not subbed and I have to manually search for real content like Eric, Truth Centre etc. So anything that does come on my feed, I’m reluctant to watch. I keep getting the same shit over and over and missing a lot of important information from genuine channels. There’s an awful lot of new channels popping up too. Not saying all of them are shills but the vast majority have some glaring red flags. They assimilate into the group and mimic genuine researchers very well.

I couldn’t agree more Andy. I’ve never been convinced by Eddie Bravo. I very much doubt someone with as many connections and as much clout as him could be on our side. He comes across like a great guy and all, but I'm 90% sure he's no different than the rest of them. Just a different flavour shill/actor. He doesn't offer anything new but he does do a great job of promoting it. It sounds like Eddie was doing to Del and Gav what Joe Rogan did to him although I haven’t watched that interview myself. Not a fan of TJ either there’s just something about him. It would be fantastic if Eddie was genuine but we all need to remain cynical no matter how appealing someone’s personality is. We all know these people are masterful at lying, acting and deceiving and have been given the best training in these “arts”.

tristancobane wrote:...I have to manually search for real content like Eric, Truth Centre etc.

I found a Truth "Center." Is that the same channel you reference above? https://www.youtube.com/user/Ramboftw26/about

The about page shows him to be a 16 year old with a join date of Jan 2013. I just asked him about his age under an ODD comment under his latest video. I'm just curious if he hasn't updated his about page since 2013, and is closer to 21 now, or if he is 16 years old now and joined when he was 11.

He seems to have first discovered flat Earth about a year ago with his video "ATTENTION! We Have Been Lied To!!! Flat Earth."

The thirteen videos before that one were generic to demons, green children, Nimrod, Nephilim bloodlines, UFO's, fall of Lucifer, etc.

tristancobane wrote:I’ve never been convinced by Eddie Bravo.

What position, regards flat Earth, and Eddie's words elucidating demonstrable facts proving the horizontal plane, do you take exception to? Just curious. Eddie doesn't have a dedicated thread here exposing his words as though he were controlled opposition, so does that mean he's a friend of IFERS? What egregious position has he taken that troubles you?

Also, I find your tagline (attributed to Lao Tzu) a conundrum indeed:

"He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know." To me, I find it a dichotomous oxymoron.

It's a bit confusing. He who knows what? I'll assume we're speaking of Truth, since there is no pursuit worthy of more diligent effort.

Adding into the equation the thing pursued we have, "He who knows Truth, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know Truth."

Honestly, it sounds like something straight from a Masonic den of iniquity. Freemasons pride themselves on their secret knowledge, while taking blood oaths to keep that knowledge within the Lodge, never revealing those secrets. Is your tagline a reference to those who profess so-called esoteric knowledge served up by the liars in the lodge they attend, yet never revealed at all to the "uninitiated" outside of it?

It seems to me one William Morgan knew the truth about Freemasonry, chose to speak that truth outside the lodge, and was murdered for it by those who imprecated themselves to vile oaths and punished Morgan by murdering him. Is that the point of the tagline; a warning?! Because obviously if Morgan had known what was about to happen to him by the loving brethern of the lodge, he would not have endeavored to "speak" the truth in the book he was about to publish exposing the evils of Masonry.

Your tagline causes me to ask; how can Truth be promulgated without being spoken? And why would you then claim the one who speaks Truth does not know the Truth?

You'll have to pardon me. I'm getting quite cynical in my old age.

A word search for "Lao Tzu Freemason" is revealing. The question becomes, did you just one day latch onto that tagline in your ignorance, thinking it had a lofty flavor, yet having never pondered the futility of such oxymoronic gibberish, or are you using it with an ulterior motive?

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tristancobane wrote:I’ve never been convinced by Eddie Bravo.

What position, regards flat Earth, and Eddie's words elucidating demonstrable facts proving the horizontal plane, do you take exception to? Just curious. Eddie doesn't have a dedicated thread here exposing his words as though he were controlled opposition, so does that mean he's a friend of IFERS? What egregious position has he taken that troubles you?

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Hi Mark. I think your question was for Tristan but since I started the topic of Eddie Bravo above I'll give you my perspective. I'm not sure whether Eddie is a shill or not. I just think it's important that we stay alert. I pointed out Eddie's "Masonic/Illuminati" picture on his YouTube channel. That's a bit troubling for me personally. Then the way he totally ignored Del and Gav from Beyond the Imaginary Curve. He also defended Alex Jones when he interviewed Eric. We know something is not right with Joe Rogan and Eddie is his sidekick. We just want to make sure Eddie Bravo, if he is a shill, doesn't become the Alex Jones of the FE movement. It's a legitimate concern and something to be aware of that's all. But of course he is putting out a lot of good stuff too which is why it's hard to tell. Like Christian said these people are masterful liers and deceivers so one's eyes must always be open. For now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and really hope that he's not a shill. We could use some honest high profile people to start spreading Truth. Surely there must still be some decent people in the world.

You have me all figured out friend. Do you berate every member like that or did you just take a shine to me? Well, since you went to so much effort and took time out of your day to do "investigative" work, it would be wrong not to at least reply.

I'm on here to glean as much information as I can from the many knowledgeable members of this forum and I am curious to know what figureheads among the community are genuine. Is that okay with you sir? I thought I was entitled to share my opinion and discuss that. Had I realised you were such an authority, I would have chosen my words more wisely. You obviously have a lot of time on your hands to play professor and detective. I sincerely hope I'm an exception and that you don't approach all new members with this attitude.

I like the book and the quote. Sorry if that bothers you. However, I interpreted it as meaning something entirely different from what you have just suggested. Or maybe I'm just not as intellectual as your good self.

Thanks for your reply.

Tristan, you didn't acknowledge/answer my first post regarding the question of the young man going by "Truth Center." Since you had used "Centre" I was trying to confirm you were speaking of the same person when saying, "...I have to manually search for real content like Eric, Truth Centre etc."

I took that as you placing the young man as a valuable source of information right up their with the yeoman service Eric has brought to the subject. Naturally, I went over to check the channel out.

So no, the young man "Truth Center" is not a "figurehead among the community," imo, though it's nice to know one so young is open to the truth that we live on a horizontal plane.

Nor did you bother answering my question, "What position, regards flat Earth, and Eddie's words elucidating demonstrable facts proving the horizontal plane, do you take exception to?" Still, I'm "just curious." What position has Bravo taken that you don't agree with?

Regarding the oxymoronic quote you're fond of (i.e., knows but doesn't speak, speaks but doesn't know), the opportunity presented itself for you to set me straight in my misinterpretation of it, yet you didn't elucidate the meaning of it so as to leave myself and others with a firm understanding of it, as you interpret it contrary to my own interpretation.

Since it appears you think highly enough of it to include it in each post you make here, I'm just curious how I mangled its true meaning. How is my interpretation of it incorrect?

And as far as the patronizing tone of your own reply, I can overlook that without much comment, choosing rather to let your own words speak:

"You have me all figured out," "Do you berate every member," "took time out of your day to do "investigative" work," "Had I realised you were such an authority," "chosen my words more wisely," "a lot of time on your hands to play professor and detective," "Or maybe I'm just not as intellectual as your good self."

andyow1 wrote:We just want to make sure Eddie Bravo, if he is a shill, doesn't become the Alex Jones of the FE movement.

Andy, we can't stop any current or future imagined shill from becoming "the Alex Jones of the FE movement," any more than we were able to stop the Toxic Twins from becoming prominent with their circus act shtick. The Toxic Twins, for example, are rightfully in the Shill Wall of Shame thread. Bravo isn't. And as long as he keeps egging Rogan on toward a debate with Eric and the actor, Neil Tyson, I'm not sure why we're picking on him, short of any evidence that actually indicts him for promulgating error.

And if you're going to call a guy out, I would ask you as I am Tristan to clearly elucidate the position he's taken that legitimately gives rise to being accused of the shenanigans of the known liars who are exposed in the Flat Earth Shill Wall of Shame thread for their words/actions contrary to the truth.

Can you do that with Bravo?

Hi Mark. Good points. As I said, not "calling him out" but rather "giving him the benefit of the doubt" at the moment....that's what "on the fence" means. Of course I understand we can't prevent anything. With that said, we can share our thoughts with each other and help to increase our collective awareness. But yes I absolutely agree that if he keeps pushing Joe toward a debate with Eric and Neil that's wonderful. I hope it happens. Let's see where it leads. Enough for now.

Agreed, Andy. I too would like to see a fair debate between Tyson and Eric. The problem will be getting a fair one. It would be very disappointing to have another such fiasco as occurred when The Morgile "debated" that Harvard professor when he and Art Bell teamed up against Morgile when they ambushed him on Bell's show.

In other words, there's no way Rogan could ever be expected to be a fair moderator in such a debate. He would naturally do as Art Bell did in the Morgile ambush.

I completely agree, Mark. You said it. Fair is the key. I doubt they would ever let such a debate take place. After all, there is nothing in it for them to allow the Truth to come out. They are doing and will continue to do everything in their power to keep FE from coming out. That's why we need 1000's more like Eric to start publishing quality videos on YouTube and getting friends and family interested. If we keep pushing we'll get there. People ask me why does FE matter? There are so many reasons it's hard to know where to start. But Free Energy for one. The Free Energy cover up is massive. Tesla probably had it figured out in the early 20th century. Imagine what the world would look like if we had access to unlimited free energy for the last 100 years. Cheers

markwilson wrote:Andy, we can't stop any current or future imagined shill from becoming "the Alex Jones of the FE movement,

I respectfully disagree as that is what Dubay has been doing and what this thread is doing. The FACT that bravo defends bill hicks (alex jones) is a huge red flag that is worth calling out.